Genealogy Chat

This birth that Richard found on your other thread: Births Dec 1893 Taylor Lilian Elizabeth S Sheffield 9c 471 looks like the Lilian your relative is talking about. There aren't many Lilians with 2 middle names like that! As to the marriage - perhaps they simply 'forgot' to do it? Unless Lilian was under another name. She may have been married before, though it normally shows this on birth certs.

Hi I added a message to your other thread about William Teer before I spotted this one. Not sure if what I've put there wil help or hinder:-)

Oh, and Jackie, that Jun 1890 marriage is in the name of Lillie Taylor, not Lilian or Lillian. Page number looks like 1235 or 1285, but I haven't managed to figure out who she might have married yet! Kate.

Jackie, it is possible that they never got married and that that is the reason you can't find a record of their marriage. As for a refund, you can only get a refund from the GRO if the certificate they have sent you is not the one you ordered, i.e. it doesn't match checking criteria that you specified and asked them to check. I don't know what you specified in your order for Frank's birth cert - did you say who the parents should be, or just give them volume, district and page number? Kate.

You said that your Lilian was Lilian Elizabeth Schofield Taylor, according to your FIL, who is presumably a Teer. Is he a direct descendant of hers? Where did your FIL get that name from, and what else does he know? What tells you that the 'Teen' family in the 1901 census is your family?

Jackie, I saw that the other day but there are no William Teer lookalikes that get married that same quarter. Rose

Hi Rose, and Jenny, Could this be the marriage? If so where do I check to find spouse? Lilian Taylor 1890 Apr May Jun 1/4 Chorlton looks like 8a 1835 Page 277 Jackie

Rose, here goes: 1901 William Teen Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Lillian Gender: Male Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Ashton under Lyne Ecclesiastical parish: Ashton under Lyme St Peter County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Ashton-under-Lyne Sub-registration district: Ashton Town ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 243 Household Members: Name Age Ethel Teen 3 James Les Teen 9 Lillian Teen 20 Lillian Teen 6 William Teen 40 View Original Record View original image 1891 William Teer Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Lilian Gender: Male Where Born: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Manchester Ecclesiastical parish: St James County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Manchester Sub registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 13a Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Fanny Brereton 30 Matilda Brereton 11 Leo Teer 1 month Lilian Teer 24 William Teer 29 View Original Record View original image 1881 Name: William Tear Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Son Mother's name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where Born: Manchester Civil parish: Cheetham County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 184 Corporation St Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Joiner Registration district: Prestwich Sub registration district: Cheetham ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Emma Clough 23 Alice A. Tear 12 Elizabeth Tear 39 Frank Tear 17 James S. Tear Jane Tear 19 John Tear 16 Joseph Tear 7 Mary E. Tear 9 William Tear 21 View Original Record View original image Cant find 1871 1861 Name: William Teer Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Son Father's name: Thomas Mother's name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Manchester Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Manchester Sub-registration district: Ancoats ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 143 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Teer 25 Elizabeth Ellen Teer 3 Jane Teer 4 Mo Thomas Teer 25 William Teer 1 1851 Name: Thomas Tuer Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Isabella Gender: Male Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Manchester Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Manchester Sub-registration district: Deansgate ED, institution, or vessel: 1c Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 66 Household Members: Name Age Isabella Tuer 38 Thomas Tuer 45 Thomas Tuer 15 William Tuer 4 View Original Record View original image 1841 ( I think this one is right, but parents are not there ) Name: Thomas Teer Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Lancashire, England Civil parish: Manchester Hundred: Salford County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: View image Source information: HO107/576/8 Registration district: Manchester Sub-registration district: Ancoats ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Folio: 10 Page: 14 (click to see others on page) Line number: 22 GSU Number: 438728 Jackie

Hi Jackie Joseph Thomas Teer married Catherine Purcell in Jan-Mar 1899. On the 1901 census they are in Manchester will 11m old son Joseph E (transcribed Leer). Looks like Joseph Thomas (born Apr-Jun 1872 Mancester) is the brother of William. He is with William and Elizabeth (mother) in 1881 in Cheetham. Jenny

Jackie, Can you post the details like I did for the 1881 census for all the censuses you have? Just so we can see ages, siblings, where born etc. Rose

Hi Jenny, Yes thanks I have that info. Just cant find Parents marriage. Jackie

Hi Jackie Have you got this: Birth of Leo Teer June 1891 Manchester 9d 295? Jenny

Hi Rose. Thanks for your help. Yes I think that is him. Ive traced that family back to 1841. But then I found another William b. 1861 who was also a Joiner Manchester. My Problem is that using lancashire BMD I only get one William and Lillian Taylor in all the years listed. Thats the cert I ordered which says he was William Stanley Teer 23 yrs old, and Lilian 21. ( making him 5 when Leo was born! ) Leo James was born 1892 Lillian b. 1895 Ethel b. 1898 ( This birth cert is correct ) Frank b. 1902. BTW 1901 census had them listed as Teen, 1891 as Teer, 1881 as Tear, 1861 as Teer, 1851 as Tuer. Cant find 1871. If I could get the marriage, then I'll know for sure which which William I am chasing. Sorry to be so long winded. Jackie

Jackie, Is this your William in 1881? Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Elizabeth TEAR Head M Female 39 Manchester ... William TEAR Son U Male 21 Manchester Joiner Jane TEAR Daughter U Female 19 Manchester House Work Frank TEAR Son U Male 17 Manchester Out Of Work John TEAR Son U Male 16 Manchester Errand Boy Alice A. TEAR Daughter Female 12 Manchester Scholar Mary E. TEAR Daughter Female 9 Manchester Scholar Joseph TEAR Son Male 7 Manchester Scholar James S. TEAR Son Male 8 m Manchester Emma CLOUGH Boarder U Female 23 Manchester Shopkeeper Source Information: Dwelling 184 Corporation St Census Place Cheetham, Lancashire, England As he's the eldest child it might be possible he was born before his parents married and is actually listed under his mother's maiden name for the marriage. Rose

Hi Jackie, Can you remind us of the details again? The first child was born Feb. 1891 in Manchester? Where were both the parents from? Can you find them in 1881? Rose

Hi all, I ordered certs ( from Australia ) and received them in record time 3 days LOL! The Marriage of William Teer and Lilian Taylor ( 1915 ) shows that they were only 23 and 21 yrs old, so this clearly cant be the marriage of my William and Lillian. Ethels birth cert is correct. She was born 1897, to William and Lilian Taylor. If the marriage cert of Will and Lill was correct then William would have been 5 yrs old. So at a loss again. Franks birth cert b. 1902 is completely wrong ( how did the gro get it wrong??) It says that Franks father was Joseph Thomas and mother Catherine Purcell. Is it possible that Frank was adopted out to my William? Why cant I find a marriage of William and Lilian other than the 1915 one?? Sorry if Im ranting on, but really thought I had a lead, thanks to you guys. BTW, can I get a refund for the two wrong certs?? Jackie