Genealogy Chat

Someone on GR has sent me loads of info on my GGGrandmother Agnes Cooper born 1838. I have found the family in Warwickshire in the 1851 census showing that Agnes is a daughter in law. The info is that Isaac Axhorn is the father, and Mary is the Step Mom, but I have a feeling that they are not Isaacs children or else why are they not known by his name? What are your thoughts please? Lynda x

hiya, where was agnes born please?? hae tried looking for isaac axhorn in 51 birm but i cant find one, do you have dob for him? and place of birth for him please? julie

Hi I think Agnes was born in Warwickshire, and Isaac in Tiverton in Devon. I think I looked for Agness Cooper for the Census. Hope that helps Lynda

Hi Lynda There is a possible marriage for Isaac in 1849 to Mary Brown- It is possible that Mary was single or maybe widowed when she married Isaac. Possibly, is Mary was single at time of marriage then Amy is her illigitemate daughter and Ann Brown is her sister because she is down as a visitor. I just working on the Coopers to work out relationship. I'll get back to you unless someone beats me to it. Simone

hiya 1851 You have saved this record to My Ancestry (Shoebox). You have saved this record to My Ancestry (People I'm Looking For). This record has been added to your shoebox. 1851 England Census Record about Agness Cooper Name: Agness Cooper Age: 13 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relation: Daughter-in-law Gender: Female Where born: Aston, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Aston Ecclesiastical parish: Saltley Town: Saltley Washwood County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Aston Sub-registration district: Erdington ED, institution, or vessel: 5b Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 107 Household Members: Name Age Isaac Axborn 36 Mary Axborn 29 Amy Brown 4 Ann Brown 15 Agness Cooper 13 Eliza Cooper 9 Isaac Cooper 3 Kate Cooper 5 as there is 10yr gap between isaac and mary, i would say that this is a second marriage, and agnes being from 1st marriage, as with the other coopers julie

ok my theory is mary had ann out of wedlock then married cooper had children reverted back to brown had last child married axhorn but is only my theory tho' julie

Here is the 1849 marriage Record Isaac Axhorn 1849 Oct-Nov-Dec Aston Warwickshire View Record Mary Brown 1849 Oct-Nov-Dec Aston Warwickshire This means that Mary was a Brown not a Cooper when she married Isaac. All the Cooper children were born before 1849 so if they are Mary's to her first husband the their name should be Brown too, otherwise Mary's name at marriage to Isaac would be Cooper. I think Ann is definitely Mary's sister because they were both born in Leicestershire. Amy is Mary's daughter. But as for the Coopers, I wonder if they have taken in a relatives children, perhaps they had been orphaned. Do you have Agnes birth certificate at all? I would send for that and take it from there- this looks like it Agnes Cooper Year of Registration: 1838 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Aston County: Warwickshire Volume: 16 Page: 156 Simone

hiya, right then, on the cen for 51 the browns ae listed as servant, and visitor, praps ann is the servant and amy her sister, nothing to do with the coopers at all, the reason i state this is because i have tracked agnes thro to 1881, with children stating unmarried on all census, but we know thats a fib, as have marr reg for isaac axhorn, julie oh duh!!! i have just re-read what i have put, silly me, yes i think you definately need to get agnes b/cert this will clarify once and for all, he mothers MN Julie BTW found an isaac axhorn in earlier census, with keturah 1st wife?? julie

Agggh. Not sure if this is helping or hindering BUT - I couldn't find an Agnes[s] Cooper in 1841 so I thought I would look for Isaac - and there is, with him and his [first?] wife, Mary, an Agness of the right age and born in the right place. There is also Mary, aged one who could have died. So, could Agness have been erroneously been put down as Cooper? On the original it is Axborn/Axhorn 1841 Agness Axham abt 1838 Warwickshire, England Aston Warwickshire View Record Isac Axham abt 1816 Warwickshire, England Aston Warwickshire View Record Mary Axham abt 1816 Warwickshire, England Aston Warwickshire View Record Mary Axham abt 1840 Warwickshire, England Aston Warwickshire Victoria

Thank you so much! I knew one of you would help me solve it, and you have all contributed in unraffling it. I had been told that Isaac Axhorn was Agnes's father to another Mary The 1849 Mary is a different one. It still doesn't explain why they are known as Coopers, but I'll send off for the birth certificate to find out more. Thanks again for your help. Lynda

Have found all that info on the census and Agness was known as an Axhorn on the 1841 census as you have said. Have sent off for the birth certificate this evening to see what Mary no 1's maiden name is and also the fathers name. I reckon that when the census was taken that the children were said to be the Coopers children, meaning the previous wife. Can't wait to see. Thanks for all your help. Lynda x

hiya lynda no worries just sorry i couldnt get bac to you abit sooner, but had school run and little ones to look after, but now they are asleep and in bed, Phew!!! julie