Genealogy Chat

thanks Tom for your time and effort, have put that cert on my list of to order Linda x

I think you'd be better ordering the birth, it is just as likely to prove/disprove whether she is Enoch's daughter but you have added bonus of MMN etc. England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983 Record about Sarah Elizabeth Howl Name: Sarah Elizabeth Howl Year of Registration: 1850 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Walsall County: Staffordshire Volume: 17 Page: 249 (click to see others on page)

Linda, That death (I presume) is the death of Enoch and Elisabeth's daughter.

thanks Tom, I think that must be her, will order cert and see. Linda x

Sarah elizabeth death England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983 Record about Sarah Elizabeth Howl Name: Sarah Elizabeth Howl Year of Registration: 1851 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Walsall County: Staffordshire Volume: 17 Page: 189 (click to see others on page)

So now I have Enoch married Elizabeth Earp Meek, who is the mother of the girls. But I can't work out why Mary Baggett would be mother in law on 1851 and what happend to John Howl (c1841) and Sarah Elizabeth (c1850)?

Wow thanks all, had to leave computer for unexpected visitors, lot's to digest and work on thanks again Linda x

although, this would match that marriage... Name: Elizabeth Earp Howl Year of Registration: 1850 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Walsall County: Staffordshire Volume: 17 Page: 162 (click to see others on page)

right, so to sum up so far... looks like he was married to Elizabeth Baggott first, who must have died in 1850 (baby born and then he remarried). That means that the marriage I found doesn't look likely and neither does the death, unless first Elizabeth died and then he remarried ELizabeth Baggett quickly.

looks like there definately was a marriage, and it wasn't to Martha. SARAH ELIZABETH HOWL Female -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 30 JUN 1850 Saint Lawrence, Darlaston Near Wolverhampton, Stafford, England Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: ENOCH HOWL Family Mother: ELIZABETH

from IGI - marriage to wife number 1, possibilty, it would match up with being about the 'normal' age to marry. ENOCH HOWLE Male Family -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: ELIZABETH EARP MEEK Family Marriage: 26 DEC 1833 All Saints, West Bromwich, Stafford, England

Name: Elizabeth Howl Year of Registration: 1847 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Walsall County: Staffordshire Volume: 17 Page: 175 (click to see others on page) and this Elizabeth's death... most probably not as Sarah Elizabeth was born in 1850..

could this be Enoch in 1841? View Record Amn Howe abt 1839 Staffordshire, England Darlaston Staffordshire View Record Elizh Howe abt 1816 Staffordshire, England Darlaston Staffordshire View Record Enoch Howe abt 1816 Staffordshire, England Darlaston Staffordshire View Record John Howe abt 1841 Staffordshire, England Darlaston Staffordshire View Record Mary Howe abt 1835 Staffordshire, England Darlaston Staffordshire

you could alwasy order the death certificate for Martha and see if it does say 'wife of Enoch Howl' It may be that the children (Mary and Ann) were from yet another marriage - and the marriage certificate you have is for his third marriage.

My rellies 1861 Name: Ann Howl Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825 Relation: Wife Spouses's Name: Enoch Gender: Female Where born: West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Walsall Foreign Town: Walsall County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Walsall Sub-registration district: Walsall ED, institution, or vessel: 39 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 33 Household Members: Name Age Ann Howl 36 Betsy Howl 3 Enoch Howl 48 Harry Howl 5 James Howl 9 Thomas Howl 9 Mo William Howl 7 Sarah Simcox 12 Enoch and Ann married june 10th 1851 he's a widower 1851 for Enoch (Mary baggett is mother in law) Name: Enoch Howl Age: 38 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Darlaston, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Darlaston Ecclesiastical parish: St George County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Walsall Sub-registration district: Darlaston ED, institution, or vessel: 1j Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 96 Household Members: Name Age Mary Baggett 58 Ann Howl 12 Enoch Howl 38 Mary Howl 16 Sarah Elizabeth Howl 9 Mo so 1841 for mary Esther Baggott abt 1828 Staffordshire, England Darlaston Staffordshire John Baggott abt 1826 Staffordshire, England Darlaston Staffordshire Martha Baggott abt 1823 Staffordshire, England Darlaston Staffordshire Mary Baggott abt 1791 Staffordshire, England Darlaston Staffordshire Timothy Baggott abt 1831 Staffordshire, England Darlaston Staffordshire William Baggott abt 1781 Staffordshire, England Darlaston Staffordshire I've found a death for Martha Martha Howl 1851 Jul-Aug-Sep Walsall Staffordshire Sarah Elizabeth Howl 1851 Apr-May-Jun Walsall Staffordshire so am assuming Enoch married Martha, and that the Sarah Elizabeth on the 1851 died aswell?.Martha is too young to be the mother of the girls in the 1851 so where do I start looking for a previous marriage for Enoch? bet you have lost the plot too! Linda

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