Genealogy Chat

One of my rellies - George John Ingram and his family cannot be found on the 1881 census - he was born in Birmingham in 1856 and was married to Emma Sarah France. His occupation was glassblower. So decided to give up on him for awhile so went on to Emma Sarah France family - her father Joseph E France born about 1837 also a glass blower and guess what no where to be found on the 1881 census. Also living in Birmingham. Where were they busy blowing glass - with all their families in toe on the night of the census!! Any ideas - appreciated. Karen

Maybe they were out getting smashed on that night.

Well I hope they all ended up with bad heads 'cos that is what they have give me!!! Karen

Thanks Jane.

Hello Karen, What a great question ! One of my ancestors was a Glass Blower / Egg-Timer / Chandelier maker and was at the home he boarded at the 1881 census night. His name was Henry Mann. Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Joseph ROBBINS Head M Male 32 Gloucester, Gloucester, England Iron Dresser Harriet ROBBINS Wife M Female 33 Walsall Wood, Stafford, England William DITCHFIELD Stepson Male 12 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar George DITCHFIELD Stepson Male 6 Birmingham, Warwick, England Scholar Thomas ROBBINS Son Male 3 Birmingham, Warwick, England Albert ROBBINS Son Male 3 m Birmingham, Warwick, England Henry MANN Boarder U Male 15 Birmingham, Warwick, England Glass Blower -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 1 Ct 9 House 166 Gt Brook St Census Place Aston, Warwick, England Family History Library Film 1341723 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 3027 / 19 Page Number 29 Henry's father was a Hawker who was in Manchester on the same night. His father was from Nottinghamshire and must have travelled as other brothers an sisters were from Birmingham and Manchester. In 1891 Henry was married and living with his young family with his cousins family which included my Grand father. My Grand Fathers brother born in 1871 was also a Chandelier maker. Wish I could point you in the right direction. Dave.

Karen could this be Emma's relation... 1881 census... Name: Joeph E. France Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Mary A. Gender: Male Where Born: Aston, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Aston County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: 7Ct 3 Aston Rd Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Glass Blower Registration district: Aston Sub registration district: Duddeston ED, institution, or vessel: 26 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Amelia France 4 Emma France 3 Joeph E. France 26 Joseph France 1 Mary A. France 25 Georgina.

Thanks Georgina - yes i am pretty sure it is Emma's brother - so not all the Birmingham glassblowers had disappeared on that night!! I did find the France family on the 1861 census under the name Flower - it is definitely them - just misreading of bad handwriting but alas still no closer to finding the Ingrams and my Frances in 1881. Thanks again - it is another building block which is gratefully received. Karen

Karen do you know if George & Emma had any children? Georgina.

Yes they had: Charlotte - 1879 Joseph - 1882 Charles - 1885 - my grandfather Herbert - 1887 Florence -188 Regards Karen