Genealogy Chat

Thanks Dea, I've found it. Sue

The name Brede was , I think, from IGI - which, of course, needs to be thoroughly checked. Dea x

Thanks for that Dea, it is interesting, can I ask, where did you find the name Brede?

Fanny's mother (also Fanny) was born c1813 in SURREY (Her maiden name could POSSIBLY be Brede - No proof to this but worth exploring ?) Dea x In 1851 Fanny (the mother) was down as Traveller's wife - hubby obviously away in Morrocco buying Coffee beans........ How interesting!! Dea x

Mogador - Morrocco: Fortified city located at a few hours by bus from Casablanca, full of history difficult to resume in a few lines. In the middle age portugese named this city Mogador (probably a deformed name from Sidi Mogdoul a local marabout. Jewish people had a special status called 'negociants du roi' and they are negotiating goods arriving for the Sultan, they even had a monopolistic situation to sell wheat to christians while muslims are not authorized. In 1764 the Sultan decided to implement in Mogador his marine army department. Name has been changed from Mogador to Essaouira after the end of the 'Protectorat Français' Dea x

Thank you Dea, she obviously came to the UK at a very young age, quite a journey in those days.

This is probably Fanny on 1841 - Her father is a Coffee House keeper. Fanny Riley abt 1813 St Botolph Aldersgate Middlesex Fanny Riley abt 1837 St Botolph Aldersgate Middlesex John Riley abt 1813 St Botolph Aldersgate Middlesex Mallicent Riley abt 1840 Middlesex, England St Botolph Aldersgate Middlesex Dea x

Excellent Gwyneth, thank you. Thank you everyone for your help, much appreciated. Sue

In 1901 it just says Africa, British Subject. Darn

At least she doesn't keep changing her given birthplace. Here she is in 1891 Name: Fanny A Hunt Age: 52 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839 Relation: Wife Spouses's Name: Samuel Gender: Female Where Born: Africa, Magoder Civil parish: Mile End Old Town Ecclesiastical parish: Stepney St Dunstans Church County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Mile End Old Town Sub registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern ED, institution, or vessel: 17

You little belter Helen..... So now I have a Fanny at last, and an African one at that!

Whooo, well done Helen.

1881 Name: Fanny M. Hunt Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relation: Wife Spouses's Name: Saml. Gender: Female Where Born: (B S), Africa Civil parish: Mile End Old Town County/Island: London Street address: 1 Hayfield Passage Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: Mile End Old Town Sub registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern Household Members: Name Age Fanny M. Hunt 43 Fanny M. Hunt 5 Florence Hunt 1 George S. Hunt 9 John Hunt 15 Saml. Hunt 47 Thomas S. Hunt 12 Walter S. Hunt 19 So I think we've established its Africa somewhere!!!

My geography isn't very good, but Mogador is in Morocco, which is the north coast of Africa, isn't it? Mogadishu is on the east coast....

Am working on it as follows: 1). Don't think George's name is Barrow - looks like 'ss' in the middle. 2). On 1861 image you mention - It does say the Fanny + Samuel are unmarried but at the side of Fanny's name - where the occupation should be - To me, it clearly says 'wife !! There is a marriage of a Samuel Hunt in Stepney, March 1860 to Fanny Mary Ann Riley in Stepney. 3). I believe Samuel is stepson (son-in-law) and Fanny is his wife (therefore daughter in law). I think this is Samuel on 1851 in Stepney - he is a plasterer! Stepney Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town Lower ED, institution, or vessel: 38 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 23 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Hunt 14 Charlott Hunt 11 Harriot Hunt 48 John Hunt 50 Mary Ann Hunt 5 Samuel Hunt 17 Class: HO107; Piece: 1553; Folio: 778; Page: 6; Also, I don't think it is Anglesey I will go and look further. Dea x

So, if it says British sub, it must be abroad somewhere. Going to take another look.Grr, why did they have to make those marks when they where checking the census returns (rhetorical question, lol)? Looking at world gazeteer I haven't found a Mogador on the east coast of anywhere, only Mogador in Morocco and Mogadouro in Portugal, neither of which are on an east coast. C

If it says ...East Coast of........... that suggests to me that it may be overseas and the information was given to clarify the perhaps unknown place name. Gwyn

I found a marriage for Samuel Hunt and a Fanny Riley in Sep 1860. Then I've now found a Fanny Riley on the 1851 living in Stepney. That gives her place of birth as Mog then says 'British Subject', so I assume that is her.

Results for Fanny Hunt born 1838 +/- 1 year in 1841 census Fanny Hunt abt 1838 Chenies Buckinghamshire Fanny Hunt abt 1839 Devon, Abbotsham Devon Fanny Hunt abt 1839 Devon,Abbotsham Devon Fanny Hunt abt 1839 Devon,Chulmleigh Devon Fanny Hunt abt 1839 Hampshire, All Saints Hampshire Fanny Hunt abt 1838 Lincolnshire, Holbeach Lincolnshire Fanny Hunt abt 1838 Middlesex, StJames Clerkenwell Middlsx Fanny Hunt abt 1839 Warwickshire, Alcester Warwickshire None of them have a brother called Samuel. I also thought the image might say Africa, except that it does look like the last letter has a downstroke. But again, can't think what it could be. nell

I have had another squint at it and I see where you are coming from with Africa, although I can't make myself see it as that it isn't impossible. C (Oh, lord, I can't spell Anglesey anymore - twice!!)