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Hi i have just been looking on the census and have noticed living with the family is a Clara Cleesham and relationship to head of the house is Child at nurse. It's on the 1881 census ref RG11/2347 folio 49 page 30 she is living with a James Vivian. Also could anybody see if they could find James Vivian on the 1851 census as i am struggling to trace him on this one. Many thanks Jen Sorry i have changed the date i pressed the wrong key

a nurse child (i think) is like a foster child... where money changed hands..

Thanks Tom. Might help widen my search a little better. Jen

1881 for reference 1881 England Census Record about James Vivian Name: James Vivian Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Catherine Gender: Male Where Born: Kea, Cornwall, England Civil parish: Madron - Penzance County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street address: 22 Battery Sq Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: General Labourer Registration district: Penzance Sub registration district: Penzance Household Members: Name Age Clara Clesham 2 Catherine Vivian 43 Catherine J. Vivian 19 Eliza Vivian 12 Elizabeth A. Vivian 18 James Vivian 43 Mary E. Vivian 17 Thomas Vivian 9 Glen

Thanks Glen never thought about opening it up for people to see would of been easier. Thanks again Jen

Think this is James in 1871 1871 England Census Record about James Trevivian Name: James Trevivian Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relation: Head Spouses's Name: Catharine Gender: Male Where born: Kea, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: Kea Ecclesiastical parish: Baldhu Town: Seveock County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Registration district: Truro Sub-registration district: Kea Household schedule number: 20 Household Members: Name Age Catharine Trevivian 33 Catharine Jane Trevivian 9 Eliza Trevivian 3 Elizabeth Ann Trevivian 8 James Trevivian 33 Mary Ellen Trevivian 7 Image is in name of Trevivian,occupation miner Glen

Thanks Glen i will try this spelling on the 1851 census and see if this brings up anything. Thanks Jen

Glen could you give me your opinion if you think this is the correct person please Name: James Trevivian Age: 13 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relation: Son Father's name: James Mother's name: Mary A Gender: Male Where born: Kenwyn, Cornwall, England Civil parish: Kea Ecclesiastical parish: Baldhu County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Truro Sub-registration district: St Clement ED, institution, or vessel: 1e Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 1 Household Members: Name Age William Chynowath 76 Edward Trevivian 1 James Trevivian 42 James Trevivian 13 Jane Trevivian 17 John Trevivian 3 Mary A Trevivian 40 Mary A Trevivian 6 Richard Trevivian 15 William Trevivian 8 Thanks Jen

Still here,i did look at that one. I think there is also a matching chap in the 1871,the place of birth seems to match from a '71 result. Just having a look,in the meantime i found this -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Sep 1860 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gluis William Truro 5c 211 Gough Catherine Truro 5c 211 Pengilly Peggy Truro 5c 211 Trevivian James Truro 5c 211 Possibly the marriage, Glen

I think a child at nurse was a child being cared for by a woman who had breast milk (no formula feeds in those days) when the mother hadn't or couldn't breast feed, most commonly too weakened by the birth to breast feed (or recommended not to by doctor for her health). Richer families I believe would bring the woman into their household while she was nursing the child. Mavis

Right this lot in 1861,think you have them in the 51, 1861 England Census Record about William Trivivian Name: William Trivivian Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842 Relation: Son Father's name: James Mother's name: Mary Ann Gender: Male Where born: Kea, Cornwall, England Civil parish: Kea Ecclesiastical parish: Baldhu County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Registration district: Truro Sub-registration district: Kea Household schedule number: 22 Household Members: Name Age Edward Trivivian 5 James Trivivian 52 John Trivivian 13 Mary Ann Trivivian 49 Mary Ann Trivivian 16 William Trivivian 19 Glen

Hi Glen sorry i didn't know how else to get your attention without posting you name. The census that i have posted is the one for 1851. Thanks Mavis this would also make sense i have heard of people that do that but i thought they were called wet nurses but maybe that is more of a up to date term for it. Thanks Jen

I doubt if a two year old would still be being breat fed. The standard meaning of Nurse Child, or Child at Nurse, is what we would call a Foster Child today. Wet nurses didnt GENERALLY take babies into their homes, but nipped up 'the big house' five or six times a day! OC

Nurse child wasn't just C19. I'd guess they wouldn't have been referred to as such, but my mother always talked of feeding someone else's twins in the hospital when I was born because she had plenty of milk and the twins' mother couldn't/wouldn't feed them herself, and they needed human milk if possible. Christine PS - I wasn't born in the C19!

I've just goggled child at nurse, in workhouse records, it seems to be a child who the workhouse is responsible for but who is being looked after by someone outside the workhouse. But on the Proceedings of the Old Bailey (fascinating I nearly didn't come back!) it appears to be a child being nursed by someone who wasn't it's mother, but where the mother is going there to visit. My 1892 dictionary gives wet nurse - someone who sucklesa child not her own, with no suggestion as location, ie. in their house, or the child's. Don't know if that makes us any the wiser really. I knew someone who was still breast feeding her child when he was toddling, don't know historically when people felt it should be stopped. Back to google!! Mavis