Genealogy Chat

Sorry for shouting, but I am bewildered - see below

What, what, what, what, WHY ??? Can't wait!!!!! Dea x

Husband's blinky bonkers Ledger family. OK, here's gt gt gt grandpa, JOHN 1841 HO 107 1071 Book 8 Folio 19 Downside, Cobham William Ledger, 40, Lab Ag, born in Surrey Sarah Ledger, 40, Not born in Surrey >>>John Ledger, 10, Not born in Surrey Arthur Ledger, 8, born in Surrey Sarah Ledger 6, born in Surrey 1851 HO107/1592 625 p.15 Cobham, Surrey William Ledger abt 1802 Cobham, Surrey, Head 69 ag lab Sarah Ledger abt 1792 Ringley, Hampshire, Wife 59 >>>>>John Ledger abt 1832 Cobham, Surrey, Son 19 ag lab Arthur Ledger abt 1833 Cobham, Surrey, Son 18 ag lab James Bonsey abt 1814 Ockham, Surrey, Lodger 37 ag lab James Borak abt 1819 Cranley, Surrey, Lodger 32 ag lab 1851, Cobham, Surrey, John Ledger married Eliza Moore, his first wife. 1861 RG9/59 5 p.22 3 Langley Street, St Martins in the Fields, Westminster >>>> John Ledger abt 1831 Cobham, Surrey, Head 30 brewer's servant Eliza Ledger abt 1825 West Horsley, Surrey, Wife 36 Mary A Ledger abt 1854 Copham Daughter 7 scholar William Ledger abt 1857 St Martins, Middlesex, England Son 4 scholar Henry Ledger abt 1860 St Martins, Middlesex, England Son 1 Charles Pink [?] widr. 52 messenger b Marylebone with me so far? Jolly good. Now, Eliza and John have another daughter born 1861, called Alice. She was baptised in St Martin in the Fields in 1862. Eliza died 1867 and John married No. 2 wife, Letitia Bethell. Here they are in 1871: 1871 RG10/343 45 p.6 60 Broad Street, St Giles in the Fields London >>> John Ledger abt 1832 Cobham, Surrey Head 39 brewer's servant Letitia Ledger abt 1844 Cov Garden, Middlesex, Wife 27 hair weaver Mary A Ledger abt 1854 Cobham, Surrey, England Daughter 17 servant William Ledger abt 1856 St Martins, Middlesex, Son 15 apprentice Henry Ledger abt 1858 St Martins, Middlesex, Son 13 errand boy Arthur Ledger abt 1866 St Martins, Middlesex, Son 5 John Ledger abt 1867 St Martins, Middlesex, England Son 4 Edward Allen boarder 16 errand boy No Alice. So I went to look for her.

And I found her listed as niece, living in Cobham. Jolly good, that makes sense, I hear you cry. Except that when I looked for the household I found: 1871 Church Cobham, Watchmakers, Cobham, Surrey John Ledger 63 Head born: Cobham, Surrey tax collector Elizabeth Ledger 53 Wife born: Cobham, Surrey Eldred Ledger 22 Son born: Cobham, Surrey unm. watchmaker & jeweller Lewis Ledger 17 Son born: Cobham, Surrey apprentice (plumber) >>>>Alice Ledger Age: 9 abt 1862 Niece born: St Martin in the Fields, London How can Alice be daughter and niece of a chap called JOHN?!

Maybe it's g niece. Alice's father John might be John in Surrey's nephew??

John in London might have had a sister Elizabeth who married her cousin, who was also John Ledger and continued to live in Cobham. So Alice would then be their neice. Tina

I just checked the IGI and there were [at least] two Ledger families (brothers?) having children around that time. Henry and Sarah Ledger were parents of two Johns, William and Sarah had a brace of Williams. Given that people weren't always accurate with their relationships perhaps they really meant Gt Niece! Can't think of another explanation I'm afraid. Birth/Christening, 1799 - 1819, Surrey, England, British Isles Father: Richard Ledger, Mother: Sarah Exact Spelling: Off Batch Number: C037841 [refine search] Prepare selected records for download International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 6 Select records to download - (50 maximum) 1. SARAH LEDGER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 04 MAR 1808 2. SARAH LEDGER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 03 APR 1808 Cobham, Surrey, England 3. WILLIAM LEDGER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 24 DEC 1811 4. WILLIAM LEDGER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 19 JAN 1812 Cobham, Surrey, England 5. JAMES LEDGER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 27 JUL 1810 6. JAMES LEDGER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 19 AUG 1810 Cobham, Surrey, England Father: Henry Ledger, Mother: Sarah Exact Spelling: Off Batch Number: C037841 [refine search] Prepare selected records for download International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 6 Select records to download - (50 maximum) 1. JOHN LEDGER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 14 MAR 1808 2. JOHN LEDGER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 03 APR 1808 Cobham, Surrey, England 3. MARIA LEDGER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 01 SEP 1812 4. MARIA LEDGER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 04 OCT 1812 Cobham, Surrey, England 5. ELIZABETH LEDGER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 01 MAR 1810 6. ELIZABETH LEDGER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 27 MAY 1810 Cobham, Surrey, England Hope this helps Victoria

Jas Bonsey abt 1816 Surrey, England Cobham Surrey View Record Arthur Ledger abt 1833 Surrey, England Cobham Surrey View Record Jno Ledger abt 1831 Cobham Surrey View Record Sarah Ledger abt 1835 Surrey, England Cobham Surrey View Record Sarh Ledger abt 1801 Cobham Surrey View image Source information: HO107/1071/8 Registration district: Epsom Sub-registration district: Leatherhead ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Folio: 19 __________________________________________________ Heny Ledger abt 1816 Surrey, England Cobham Surrey View Record Jno Ledger Surrey, England Cobham Surrey View Record Sarh Ledger abt 1786 Surrey, England Cobham Surrey Page: 28 Source information: HO107/1071/8 Registration district: Epsom Sub-registration district: Leatherhead ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Folio: 22 Page: 35 If it is any help to you, both these families were in Downside in 1841, the top family is your John and the second family has the John that Alice was staying with as niece in 1871. Jennifer

Thank you people. I suppose it could be a great-niece. I was getting v confused as there are LOTS of John Ledgers in Surrey in Cobham and Chobham and other places and most of them have children called Arthur and Alice and William and Henry! Just trying to see if I can connect both Johns somehow. Thanks again for your time and trouble, I appreciate it! nell