Genealogy Chat

My gt ganfather is proving rather illusive -Benjamin Hipwell b. 1866 Rugby. Is with his family in Rugby for 1871 census. Then nothing until 1901 - mistranscribed as Ben Benhipnell b.1869 Rugby living in Warwick with my Grandfather also Ben Hipwell b. 1899 Northampton and gt grandmother Annie (who was actually born in Dudley in 1871 - not Ireland 1869 as stated - but she did have Irish grandparents). His mother died in 1874 Rugby and his father re-married in 1876 B'ham and I have found his father on 1881 census but none of his children were with him. I have marriage certs for his sisters who had married by the time the following census/s were taken - and he isn't with them under their married names. Ben and Annie never did marry each other. (she had already married in 1890 B'ham). I have combed 1837 for a marriage for him from 1882 - 1899 there is nothing. There was a court case in 1911 in Leicester where the children were taken into care and the notes confirm that Ben and Annie were not married. She died 1915. So where was he from 1871 (or 1874 when his mother died) until 1899 ? (when my grandfather was born). If any supersleuths could look at 1881 and or 1891 census to see if they can find him - I certainly can't - and I have tried various ways of searching- I would be very grateful . By the way there is a marriage for a Benjamin Hipwell in Rugby in 1891- I've checked this out and it's not him. So - if anyone is still awake after reading all this - Thanks Angela (off to cook tea now)

may i just split it up a bit My gt ganfather is proving rather illusive -Benjamin Hipwell b. 1866 Rugby. Is with his family in Rugby for 1871 census. Then nothing until 1901 - mistranscribed as Ben Benhipnell b.1869 Rugby living in Warwick with my Grandfather also Ben Hipwell b. 1899 Northampton and gt grandmother Annie (who was actually born in Dudley in 1871 - not Ireland 1869 as stated - but she did have Irish grandparents). His mother died in 1874 Rugby and his father re-married in 1876 B'ham and I have found his father on 1881 census but none of his children were with him. I have marriage certs for his sisters who had married by the time the following census/s were taken - and he isn't with them under their married names. Ben and Annie never did marry each other. (she had already married in 1890 B'ham). I have combed 1837 for a marriage for him from 1882 - 1899 there is nothing. There was a court case in 1911 in Leicester where the children were taken into care and the notes confirm that Ben and Annie were not married. She died 1915. So where was he from 1871 (or 1874 when his mother died) until 1899 ? (when my grandfather was born). If any supersleuths could look at 1881 and or 1891 census to see if they can find him - I certainly can't - and I have tried various ways of searching- I would be very grateful . By the way there is a marriage for a Benjamin Hipwell in Rugby in 1891- I've checked this out and it's not him. So - if anyone is still awake after reading all this - Thanks Angela (off to cook tea now)

1871 for ref Ann Hipwell (Benjn) abt 1829 Rugby Wife Rugby Warwickshire Benjamin Hipwell (Benjn,Ann) abt 1866 Rugby Son Rugby Warwickshire Benjn Hipwell (Ann) abt 1828 Catthorpe, Leicestershire, England Head Rugby Warwickshire Edward Hipwell (Benjn,Ann) abt 1852 Rugby Son Rugby Warwickshire Elizabeth Hipwell( Benjn,Ann) abt 1861 Rugby Daughter Rugby Warwickshire Rose Hipwell (Benjn,Ann) abt 1868 Rugby Daughter Rugby Warwickshire Silena Hipwell (Benjn,Ann) abt 1864 Rugby Daughter Rugby Warwickshire

this looks to be his birth, is only one for 1866, plenty before then Name: Ben Hipwell Year of Registration: 1866 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Rugby County: Leicestershire, Northamptonshire, Warwickshire Volume: 6d Page: 483 (click to see others on page) julie

do you have the RG no for 1901 - i can t see them got it RG13; Piece: 2928; Folio: 5; Page: 2. Name Age David Ashney 52 Annie Benhipnell 32 Benjamin Benhipnell 32 Benjamin Benhipnell 2 < cant see him on the page though( he;s there , next page) Charles Davies 50 Elizabeth Ford 53 John W Ford 57 William Fox 32 Maggie Glover 67 John Hood 50 Stephen Hughes 50 Henry Lovell 37 William Manton 62 John Smith 35 William Smith 23 Benjamin Snr is an enameller

hiya, is there a possiblility that he was in army???? would fit with him not being able to be found Julie

Angela, I posted a thread this morning about my family missing from the 1881 1891 and 1901. Tried almost everything until I did an address search on the 1901 with the nearest certificate I had for 1898.......... and it worked ! Totally mistranscribed. Then I worked backwards with the info I had and found them 1891 1881. Do you have any certificates to help you. If you have post some info and someone will try. Off to badminton now, will pop back later, Joan (overwhelmed with my new found info)

Thank you for your replies and taking the time to look. Dark secretz - I have pondered on the army scenario, but I wouldn't know where to begin looking. If he did join up I wouldn't know which redords office to go to as I don't know where he might have been living at the time - or perhaps it's Kew I need ? Joan - congratulations on finding your missing rellies. I know that feeling - it's brill. The nearest birth certificate I have for the missing years is that of my grandfather Benjamin Hipwell (the eldest of the children) 27/4/1899 and they were living at 37 Riding, Northampton U.D. On 1901 census they were in Warwick. In December 1901 the second child was born Edward - back of 6 Grove Street, Leicester U.D. In June 1905 Rose Ann was born at Smiths Yard, City Road, Peterborough, and finally - in March 1908 Mary Ellen was born 12 Orchard Street,Leicester. So they certainly got around! It seems he did settle (and died) in Leicester. Thanks again. Angela

hiya, i'm sure if you post a request about army info/how to begin someone will no doubt be able to help you, I'm not too sure where to look, the only site that springs to mind is the CWWG site, but i think that is mainly ww1 + ww2 sorry cant be of more help Julie

Dark Secretz - I think I will pursue the army theory. I will search the boards for a thread about this before I ask - but not tonight - bed beckons (I'm an early riser ). Thanks again. Angela

hiya, well you never know till you try :)) happy hunting Julie

There are some Benjamins born Rugby/Warks on the IGI but a little early? Still it provide some leads: BENJAMIN HIPWELL Marriages: Spouse: FANNY GARRETT Family Marriage: 29 MAR 1891 Saint Matthews, Rugby, Warwick, England Husband Age at Marriage: 43 Wife Age at Marriage: 23 BENJAMIN HIPWELL Christening: 05 FEB 1843 Saint Andrew, Rugby, Warwick, England Parents: Father: BENJAMIN HIPWELL Family Mother: SARA A second son: BENJAMIN HIPWELL Christening: 20 FEB 1848 Saint Andrew, Rugby, Warwick, England Parents: Father: BENJAMIN HIPWELL Family Mother: SARAH Siblings to this Benjamin: WILLM. HENRY HIPWELL Christening: 18 MAR 1834 Saint Andrew, Rugby, Warwick, THOMAS HIPWELL Christening: 27 DEC 1840 Saint Andrew SARAH HIPWELL Christening: 03 OCT 1838 Saint Andrew, Rugby, Warwick, ELIZABETH HIPWELL Christening: 13 JUL 1845 Saint Andrew, Rugby ELIZABETH ANNE HIPWELL Christening: 11 APR 1852 Saint Andrew GEORGE HIPWELL Christening: 03 MAR 1850 Saint Andrew But no sign of Benj. b 1866! Jan

How bout trying Forces Reunited, for any army, naval, or airforce connections. Cant remember the addy tho. jackie

Angela, These 2 can't have been married by 1881: Rose Hipwell (Benjn,Ann) abt 1868 Rugby Daughter Rugby Warwickshire Silena Hipwell (Benjn,Ann) abt 1864 Rugby Daughter Rugby Warwickshire Have you found them? Rose

Thanks for info and suggestions. On the 1881 census Rose (who is under her own name of Hipwell) was living with one of her married sisters Ann/e Sharman and hubby in Shoreditch London. Selina was actually born sept. qtr 1863 - although this still makes her very young she was married in 1880 to a William Henry Eades. Her marriage cert states she is 18 years old. (I did find her on 1881 census - but Ancestry is currently updating so can't have another look - I recall she was staying with in-laws). The 3 certs I have for 3 sisters married prior to 1881(although in 3 different counties - Leics. Staffs and Warks.) all have father as Benjamin Hipwell - Bricklayer., and on looking these up on 1881 census under married names, they seem to tie in with birth details. I think hubby is itching to get on P.C. and I must get ready for work. Thanks Angela

Hi angela, I could only find one Benjamin Hipwell in the army and it is for a medal of honout in ww1 it is not in your date range, there of course may be others that are mistranscribed!! I cant find any others that are in service before that called benjamin Medal Card of Hipwell Benjamin , Army Service Corps T/200 Serjeant Army Service Corps T4/243730 Serjeant Date range: 1914 - 1920. Fuzzy

Angela, One of mine missed every census from 1861 to 1901 - I have now found out he was actually abroad (Russia and Germany). If yours was a bricklayer, is it possible he travelled around to do with work? I have often found that in cases where people were not in their local area, their name was incorrectly recorded and also place of birth. Jay