Genealogy Chat

sorry i tool so long to reply thanks to all who helped, its all very clear now, just got to find out why hubby changed his name now Stacy

I'll try and be more concise next time! LOL :-)

I think that is what I said but not in so many words

Declaration is a registration term that means 2 things. A statutory declaration of paternity is as described further up the list here. A birth by declaration (also death by declaration) means that you have gone into an office outside the district the event took place in (any office in England or Wales if you are resident in either country) and given the information. It is then sent off (currently with a hard copy of the information put onto computer and the same on disk) to the district where the event took place and the registrar there puts it into the register and issues the certificates. The box for the informant's signature will say 'by declaration dated....'. In districts with major hospitals, there are lots of declaration registrations because of the high number of deaths and births of non-residents who were brought in for specialist treatment. After the event, relatives return home and go to their local office, rather than do it immediately. An ' outward dec ' is the information that is taken directly from the informant and sent on and it then becomes an ' inward dec' for the registrar who receives it and puts it into their register. Jack

It's on my birth cert as 'by declaration' My dad registered my birth, but he gave the information at his local register office, NOT the one in the registration district where I was born. The birth cert has the reg district where I was born, but the information was passed on from the local reg office where dad informed. It is in the informant's column, not the name/surname of father column and my parents had been married over 3 years when I was born, so 'by declaration' has nothing to do with alleged paternity! nell

As Merry says, if the father is not married to the mother and is unable to attend at the registration office with her (may be in prison or living somewhere away for example), he can complete a statutory declaration form, duly signed by an authorised person, saying he is the father so that his details can be put on the register and certificate. Likewise, if the mother is unable to attend (may still be in hospital within the 42 days given for reg to take place), she can fill in a statutory declaration form which the father takes to the registrar, stating that he is the father and his details can be put on the paperwork. If you google GRO, go onto the website and click on births and look at the section on 'Who can register a birth?' Jack

Thanks everybody for your help

Usually declaration means that the birthh was registered in a different place to where the birth took place. Mother may have gone elsewhere to have the child and then returned to her home town and registered it there declaring it had been born elswhere ie the birth town. John

I have 2 marriage certs for the mother she is named Leah Viller she marries Louis Goldman in 1911 mile end and are living at Varden st i also have cert from 1948 the year before louis dies he is going by the name levine and all his schildren have that name too from the certs you can see that louis goldman and louis levine are actually the same person

If the parents of the child were not married to each other then normally the only way the father could get his name on the birth cert would be by attending the reg office with the mother when she registered the birth. However, sometimes this isn't possible, and so a declaration is made by the father after the original registration. That sounds like what may have happened here..... Merry

Stacy at a guess I would think it looks like (note the caution!) the mother has had a child by someone other than her husband and the father has made a legal declaration that it is his child. What does anyone else think? Mog

the address is different to the child and mother does anyone know what as per declaration means further to the mystery i have a copy of the marriage cert the year before, wife lives at the address where aunty mary is born and says he does too only thing is his surname is wrong

I ordered a birth cert for my great aunt mary, in the signature, description and residence box it says fathers name his address then says as per declaration see below