Genealogy Chat

on the 1881 census I have an Eliza Jennings Head age 40 born Middlesex as a Grocer, with her daughter Gertrude age 2 months born Islington her sister Rebecca Keen age 32 born City of London another sister Anne E Wallis age 24 born City of London their mother Elizabeth Wallis age 70 born City of London no husband in sight for Eliza I got Gertrudes birth cert which has a William Jennings down as the father, occupation Butler , but cannot find a marriage, or them together on any census unless I am missing something, would you say its possible they were never married???thanks

A butler would often live in so could well be with his employer on census night Beth :)

I did wonder about that, would he have lived completely seperate from his family then???? Would you say it would have been quite close by to where the Wife was ??? as I dont know when he was born I am going to have trouble finding out more .

This chap was a butler but I have no idea how close it was to your lady. The age would fit View Record Beatrice E. Astley abt 1859 Westminster, Middlesex, England Sister St Margaret London View Record Constance C. Astley abt 1851 Westminster, Middlesex, England Sister St Margaret London View Record Gertrude S. Astley abt 1850 Cartmell, Westmorland, England Head St Margaret London View Record Christian H. Cameron abt 1860 Scotland Visitor St Margaret London View Record Arthur Chumbley abt 1862 Putney, Surrey, England Servant St Margaret London *****View Record William Jennings abt 1841 Ireland Servant St Margaret London View Record Eveline M. Jones abt 1847 Ireland Aunt St Margaret London View Record Elizabeth Kerr abt 1837 Scotland Servant St Margaret London View Record Jane V. Macdonald abt 1841 Scotland Visitor St Margaret London View Record Jane Matthews abt 1837 Hatfield, Essex, England Servant St Margaret London View Record Mary McDougall abt 1862 Scotland Servant St Margaret London View Record Frances E. Shelcot abt 1846 Cuddenham, Suffolk, England Servant St Margaret London View Record Eliza Simpson abt 1857 Rendlesham, Suffolk, England Servant St Margaret London View Record Mary Vagg abt 1857 Chilcompton, Somerset, England Servant St Margaret London

1879 Q3 marriage in Pancras district 1b page 214 Eliza Keen (was mum married twice, to Mr Keen then Mr Wallis?) William Jennings Other two names were Rosina Salt and Charles Wickman, if we can find Mrs Rosina Wickman in 1881 then I'd say this was your marriage and William was off butling on census night.

Hi Val, Found this marriage assume as sister is Keen maiden name of Eliza is keen William Jennings 1879 Jan-Feb-Mar Pancras (1837-1901) London, Middlesex View Record Eliza Keen 1879 Jan-Feb-Mar Pancras (1837-1901) London, Middlesex View Record Rosina Elizabeth Salt 1879 Jan-Feb-Mar Pancras (1837-1901) London, Middlesex View Record Charles Thomas Wickman 1879 Jan-Feb-Mar Pancras (1837-1901) London, Middlesex Fuzzy x

you lot are amazing thanks so much, yes that looks like him butling, and yes she was married before to a Keen I dont know how I missed the marriage I feel such a fool thank you so much off to order the marriage cert now Thanks again kissy kissy kissy

Good Luck with the cert Val, sometimes fresh eyes see what you have missed, has happened to me before!! (loads!!) Fuzzy x

thanks Fuzzy yes sometimes we are looking for the wrong details arent we???. I hope the Cert comes quicker than the ones I have despatch date the 21st for, one arrived today still got about 7 to come though.They said they have caught up, dont think so !!!!