Genealogy Chat

I did pick up on Marta being Martin. The best suggestion i can make would be to sort a list of certs,seeing as this is your direct line,try and get the main ones. Birth and marriage certs for your g/father,g g/father. At least then you should hope to have names of parents,and the marriage certs might have something useful/suprising on the witness front. For the cost of maybe three certs you should then hopefully not end up chasing the wrong families through the census. Glen

seems we are on the right track glen, but as there are so many women its difficult. the marta lyons is in fact martin and i have managed to find him a few census but he had a lot of daughters as well!!! carolexxx

I'm struggling with this one. I have tried to chase the Lyon family back with the names of the other children,but keep finding single women with jobs quoted as hawker and boarders in addresses in Warrington. Going to have to give up for tonight Glen

And i guess this is William in the 1871? View Record Ann Lyons abt 1837 Ireland Wife Hulme Lancashire View Record Edward Lyons abt 1834 Ireland Head Hulme Lancashire View Record Edward Lyons abt 1868 Manchester Son Hulme Lancashire View Record John Lyons abt 1860 Warrington Son Hulme Lancashire View Record Marta Lyons abt 1864 Warrington Son Hulme Lancashire View Record Mary Lyons abt 1867 Manchester Daughter Hulme Lancashire View Record Michael Lyons abt 1858 Warrington Son Hulme Lancashire >>>View Record William Lyons abt 1871 Manchester Son Hulme Lancashire

Right i'll try and put what we know on one post from the other nights thread 1881 result for William Lyons Edward LYON Head M Male 47 Ireland Labourer Ann LYON Wife M Female 40 Ireland Michael LYON Son Male 23 Warrington, Lancashire, England Carter Martin LYON Son Male 18 Warrington, Lancashire, England Hooker (C) Polly LYON Daur Female 16 Hulme Manchester India Rubber Cutter Edward LYON Son Male 13 Hulme Manchester Scholar William LYON Son Male 10 Hulme Manchester Scholar Annie LYON Daur Female 7 Hulme Manchester Scholar Mathew LYON Son Male 2 Hulme Manchester -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 6 Mount St Census Place Hulme, Lancashire, England Family History Library Film 1341937 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 3924 / 105 Page Number 26 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Added by Carole Robson on 20/07/2006 20:18:37 This is the only William Lyons who appears 1901 census with Hulme in Keyword: Address 8 Shakespeare Row,South Manchester Lancashire William is a joiner's labourer. William Lyons abt 1871 Hulme, Lancashire, England Head Catherine Lyons abt 1870 Hulme, Lancashire, England Wife Dorothy Lyons abt 1896 Manchester, Lancashire, Daughter Annie Lyons abt 1898 Manchester, Lancashire, Daughter Mary Lyons abt 1900 Manchester, Lancashire, Daughter Margaret Hinson abt 1831 Dublin, Ireland Mother-in-law --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1891 For William Lyons View Record William Lyons abt 1871 Manchester, Lancashire, England Nephew Crumpsall Lancashire View Record Elizabeth Mc Grath abt 1875 Crumpsall, Lancashire, England Daughter Crumpsall Lancashire View Record Mary Mc Grath abt 1837 Galway, Ireland Wife Crumpsall Lancashire View Record Mary Mc Grath abt 1872 Crumpsall, Lancashire, England Daughter Crumpsall Lancashire View Record Patrick Mc Grath abt 1841 Greathurst Kibperany Head Crumpsall Lancashire Source information: RG12/3265 Registration district: Prestwich Sub registration district: Cheetham ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Folio: 47 Page: 22 (click to see others on page) Glen

My thinking cap is on,and i'm drumming my fingers cos my ancestry is so slow tonight!! Glen

There isn't necessarily a McGrath/Lyons marriage - Mary could have had a sister who married a Mr. Lyons, in which case Mary's surname wouldn't be Lyons.

hi glen yes i found patrick mcgrath (who is named as head in 1891) on the 1861 census living as son to the head which is his mother margaret mcgrath. i also found from the 1891 census you found for me that elizabeth-his daughter became yates and mary his daughter became volan. this info was from 1901 census where patrick is head but no wife mary is there as she was in 1891. also found patrick and his wife on 1851 census living with gelling family? trying to still find the link between william as nephew and the rest! can let you have access to my tree if that helps? you may see a connection ive missed? thanx carolexx

Hi Carole Blame me,i'm the one that found the image.LOL It was the closest possible match,let's hope it is definately your man. Did you manage to find the Lyons family any further back than 1871? Have you found the McGrath family in the previous census returns. Just as a thought,the marriage might have been in Ireland. Glen

i found my great grandad living as nephew to the head of the household in 1891. im just wondering how i go about finding the connection. ive tried to no avail to find a lyons/mcgrath connection but am stuck! heres the census input View Record William Lyons abt 1871 Manchester, Lancashire, England Nephew Crumpsall Lancashire View Record Elizabeth Mc Grath abt 1875 Crumpsall, Lancashire, England Daughter Crumpsall Lancashire View Record Mary Mc Grath abt 1837 Galway, Ireland Wife Crumpsall Lancashire View Record Mary Mc Grath abt 1872 Crumpsall, Lancashire, England Daughter Crumpsall Lancashire View Record Patrick Mc Grath abt 1841 Greathurst Kibperany Head Crumpsall Lancashire Note William is down as nephew,suggesting a possible McGrath/Lyons marriage somewhere? would appreciate any tips. thank you carolexx