Genealogy Chat

I am trying to find an Esther Michaels (Michael) born 1811 in Middlesex on any census after 1861. i have her with her husband Samuel on 1841 & 1851. Samuel died late in 1851. She lived in Islington. I believe the records for Islington dont exist for 1861, as I cant find her with her 10 year old daughter Kate(Catherine) then. I cant find a further marriage for her either. Can anyone be a better detective than me. Thanks everyone They also had a son, Michael Michaels.. who is being elusive....

Is this the family in 1851? Mary Dolfin abt 1787 Whitechapel, Middlesex, England Servant Islington Middlesex Elizabeth Michael abt 1841 City of London, Middlesex, England Daughter Islington Middlesex Esther Michael abt 1817 Minard, Middlesex, England Wife Islington Middlesex Joseph Michael abt 1839 Spitalfields, Middlesex, England Son Islington Middlesex Michael Michael abt 1838 Hatton Garden, Middlesex, England Son Islington Middlesex Samuel Michael abt 1786 Poland Head Islington Middlesex Sarah Michael abt 1845 Spitalfields, Middlesex, England Daughter Islington Middlesex Glen

yes guys.. thats them in 1851. My gt grandmother , catherine (Kate) was born in July 1851, Samuel died in Dec 1851

Nothing obvious comes up. Have you found any of the family in any other census? When you say you haven't found a re-marriage,is that through the partial images or have you trawled through the full images? Glen

Ive trawled through all the marriages.. nothing comes up I have found 4 of the the children in later census, both Sarah & elizabeth married a Solomon Joel and Kate married Isaac Levy. i have found Joseph.. but not Michael anywhere. i was hoping that Esther might be with one of them.. but not yet

Something seems odd here, but i did find an Isaac Michael,with a son called Levy Michael,in Islington in 1871.They had a servant called Sarah Levy born abt 1845 in Spittalfields. Just seems strange with the names,but maybe just a coincedence. Glen

Glen.. there are a few Michaels family in that area.. but as yet I havent found any connection

I don't think they are connected but this is the household anyway. Sarah Levy abt 1843 Spitalfields Servant Spitalfields Middlesex Barnett Michael abt 1855 Spitalfields Son Spitalfields Middlesex Isaac Michael abt 1817 Whitechapel Head Spitalfields Middlesex Levy Michael abt 1861 Spitalfields Son Spitalfields Middlesex Michael Michael abt 1805 Aldgate Brother Spitalfields Middlesex Rachael Michael abt 1828 Mile End Wife Spitalfields Middlesex Sarah Michael abt 1859 Spitalfields Daughter Spitalfields Middlesex Glen

yes thats right Kelly.. they are my gt grandparents. Kate died giving birth to her 12 child in 1896. My grandmother was born in 1895. It has taken a long time to find Kates parents as Kate wasnt born on the 1851 census, cant find her on 1861 and by 1871 she was married

as I say Glen, they may be connected but I just cant find a link yet...its not just me then..lol

yep, thats them kelly.. Elizabeth died and Sarah married her brother in law!! Still no sign of their mother Esther though

I'm admitting defeat with this one,not even under christian name only searches. There's probably some horrid mistranscribed version of the names that needs finding. Glen

thanks for trying guys.. I thought it was just me.. but this is a hard family to trace. Thanks for your efforts

More likely that she died than remarried in those days especially as they didn't live that long in general. Starting with 1851 when you last have her I found this death entry in Mar Q 1853 - Michael, Esther, Aberystwyth, 11b 58 (I think). Nowhere near geographically but a starting point perhaps ... There's another Esther Michael death entry in Jun Q 1854 in Cardigan - equally far away.... How sure are you she was still alive for the 1861 census?

Dont know if this will heklp or hinder, but as this is obviously a Jewish family, it may be that the marriage was conducted using their Jewish (Hebrew) names. Have you tried JewishGen? OC

thanks.. I am not sure she was still alive in 1861 to be honest, but then I cant find Kate either.. I have looked in Jewishgen, but with no luck

nudge.. cos I still live in hope of finding them!!!

Sound of trumpets!!!!!! 1861: Charles Edwards abt 1838 St Georges East, Middlesex, England Son Stepney St Dunstan Middlesex Elizebeth Edwards abt 1820 Stepney, Middlesex, England Daughter Stepney St Dunstan Middlesex James Edwards abt 1836 St Georges East, Middlesex, England Son Stepney St Dunstan Middlesex Margret Edwards abt 1795 Shields, Durham, England Head Stepney St Dunstan Middlesex Isabella Long abt 1853 Stratford, Essex, England Visitor Stepney St Dunstan Middlesex >>>>Catharine Mitchaels abt 1858 St Mary Islington, Middlesex, England Daughter Stepney St Dunstan Middlesex >>>>Esther Mitchaels abt 1816 Minorius, London, England Lodger Stepney St Dunstan Middlesex Sariah Underwood abt 1791 Carshalton, Surrey, England Visitor Stepney St Dunstan Middlesex Actually, I think the Edwards family are recorded separately, just in the same house, on the census page. Esther is a widowed furniture dealer! Catherine is aged nine on the actual page, not three (looks nothing like a three!!) Found this by searching for ''Esther'' born ''Mino*'' (for Minories) Merry

Nudge for Karrie! Merry

Merry karrie says thanks, she will answer properly later, but she is at my house at the mo, and we are going to the pub now...she is sitting here gobsmacked.....lol thanks again