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I cant see a marriage on the IGI for Agnes Middlemiss to a Peter Cockburn, this is the nearest I can see.... AGNES MIDDLEMISS Female Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial: Parents: Father: JOHN MIDDLEMISS Family Marriages: Spouse: SAMUEL COCKBURN Marriage: 11 FEB 1811 Duns, Berwick, Scotland Georgina.

WEll Peter and Nelly were prolific and have 7 children however their marriage eludes me. So I have no clue as to how to find them now.

ok then. Have found the Peter Cockburn/Nelly McNeil parents of Peter born 15/12/1791. How do I find out if it is my Peter? I assume that I cannot get a birth certificate for him, only a copy of what is in the births and baptism register. His age seems to be the most likely one and he is not far from coldstream. any lateral thoughts here?

no offence taken, I have one rellie in the newcastle lunatic asylum so a convict wont make any difference if it is a rellie. Yes Peter and Agnes did go to Newcastle with the children. They are on the 1841 and 1851 census there. I have 2 Peter deaths in Newcastle to follow up on. neither state an age of death, so I will probably have to send for the certs. In which case should I bite the bullet and send for both or just one incase the 1st is the correct one. ( I am not very patient at the moment). I really need to know who peter and agnes parents are. any suggestions would be most joyously and gratefully and humbly received. Honest they will. Ann

I think James Cockburn may have died before 1871 because this looks like Jane with new husband. William is a shoemaker. Jane Cluster abt 1825 Ireland Wife Bishop Wearmouth Durham View Record William Cluster abt 1835 Newick, Norfolk, England Head Bishop Wearmouth Durham View Record Elizabeth Cockburn abt 1857 Newcastle Upon Tyne Stepdaughter Bishop Wearmouth Durham View Record James Cockburn abt 1859 Newcastle Upon Tyne Stepson Bishop Wearmouth Durham View Record Jane Cockburn abt 1855 Newcastle Upon Tyne Stepdaughter Bishop Wearmouth Durham View Record John Cockburn abt 1853 Newcastle Upon Tyne Son-in-law Bishop Wearmouth Durham View Record William Cockburn abt 1861 Newcastle Upon Tyne Stepson Bishop Wearmouth Durham

Agunes Cockburn abt 1799 Scotland Wife Newcastle upon Tyne St Andrew Northumberland View Record Peter Cockburn abt 1798 Scotland Head Newcastle upon Tyne St Andrew Northumberland I think this is Peter and Agnes in Newcastle in 1851

Did Peter and Agnes go to England as well? If not, have you looked for a death after 1855 for either of them on Scotlands People? Strange as it may be, sometimes you are better with the death cert in Scotland than the birth! And not a lot of point paying for the originals - download the image, that just costs the amt of the credit. Other thing is spelling of surname - I have a Cockburn which appears as Coburn on a cert, obviously that's how the registrar heard it and wrote it and I suppose the person couldn't read/write so couldn't correct it.

Now to add the father Peter Cockburn in to the mix. I need to find his birth, so I can find his parents. The Peter whose birth I thought I had cannot be, as he would only have been 9 when he fathered James in 1818. and I cannot find an earlier one yet. Is there any magic answer to searching that I have not tried?

Thanks for that. I didnt know ages were rounded down for 1841. Who thought that up?? Anyway, Yes I have James Cockburn born 29/4/1818 born to Peter Cockburn and Agnes Middlemiss. I also think he is on the 1851 census in Newcastle age 31 M Shoemaker, Scotland with his wife Jane and children Ann ,Mary Peter and James. and again in 1861 with more children. havnt found him in 1871,1881, 1891 or 1901 though.

Ellen Scott was probably Peter's sister. This is the marriage reference COCKBURN Eleanor Newcastle on Tyne 25 388 SCOTT George June 1842

Just a thought if any of this family died in Scotland after 1855 their death certificates will name their parents. Georgina.

I dont have the answers you need but remember on the 1841 census ages were rounded down to the nearest 5 for anyone over the age of 15 so he may have been born a few years before or after 1821. Georgina.

ok, obviously not enough for you sleuths to get your gums round, so here is installment 2 which is driving me even more nuts. I have found the following which is now causing me to tear my hair out. On the Newcastle census of 1841, as mentioned above, I have Peter Cockburn Age 45 Shoemaker M and N to born in England Peter Cockburn Age 20 and S in where born (Scotland?) Agnes Cockburn Age 46 and S in where born. My problem is i cannot find 20 year old Peters birth. If he is 20 in 1841 then I would have to assume he is either 1. A twin to the Ann who was born in 1821 and did not live, or 2. a visitor. Any ideas.

I have Ann Cockburn born in Coldstream, I know she married a Thomas Jobson in Newcastle on 7/9/1845 at St Johns Church, Newcastle. I know her father was called Peter Cockburn and was a Cordwainer (Leather worker to you and me). I found on Scotlands people 2 Ann Cockburns. One dated 1821 and one dated 1823. Both with the same parents Peter Cockburn and Agnes Middlemiss. I have now received back the entries for them. (£10 each!!!) Both show Ann Cockburn born on 23/3/1821 and baptised on 25/3/1821, and Ann Cockburn born on 10/10/1823 and baptised on 9/11/1823 I cannot find another Ann On her marriage certificate is has her as age 20 which gives her a year of birth of 1825, which is 2 years after the last one above. In 1841 I found the parents living in Pudding Chare in Newcastle (which ties in with the marriage certificate) with a brother Peter but not there herself. I found an Ann in 1841 age 15 at an address where the head is a Publican. with the term FS under emplyoment In 1851 she is with her husband and 1st child and she is age 27 In 1861 she is the Head of household and is a widow age 36 I am assuming ( the thing you should never do) that the 1st Ann died and that the 2nd Ann is mine...... or is she and if she isnt why isnt a 3rd Ann in Scotlands people.... by the way this is only the 1st installment of my insanity... Help greatly appreciated by those wot know!

I thought it would be oh so simple..... really I did...... i went to Coldstream last week on holiday and walked up and down 2 cemetarys took lots of photos and spoke to registraar...... I thought it would help.......