Genealogy Chat

I have a series of Removal Orders for the woman I suspect is my 3 x GGM. She bounced back and forth between two parishes for years. It was only when the Union Workhouse law came into effect, 1835(?) that a bit of commonsense came into the proceedings - a family would be allowed to stay where they were, as long as their Parish of Settlement agreed to foot the bill - in practise though, this meant that people could move freely about the country for the first time in history. OC

And their mine!!!!!! how exciting Tom! If that copy was held in Shropshire, I wonder if there are any other documents in the Parish of St Werburgh, Chester. Deb

Tom Worth investigating. I found my gt X 3 grandfather Robert Chowns and his wife and 3 daughters were 'removed and conveyed' from Stoke Poges in Bucks to Aston Rowant in Oxon, where Robt had been born. Aston Rowant and Stoke Poges had a dispute about this and it went to the magistrates. I found the quarter sessions records which included Robt's statement about his income and circumstances. He and his family had lived with his father in law in Farnham Royal but moved when the ceiling fell in(!) to Stoke Poges. The magistrates decided the family could stay in Stoke P. and they did. Robt lived over 20 years in a privately-endowed almshouse and died at the age of 93 in 1872. nell

Tom Dont you think they were a bit harsh? To move a family of 7 or more back to a parish from where they came, it would mean housing,clothing and feeding them.Perhaps the original parish just offered to pay and let them stay where they were. Pauline

I was just thinking that, but they must have come back, or never gone in the first place because they were buried in Lilleshall.

Tom They would have only been a problem when they needed to make demands on the parish relief Pauline

I agree, have a couple of wills from the early 1700's and ggg grandfaher's workhouse report complete with physical description and other details...

I know Pauline, I;m not a Colwood, but it was my maternal Grandma's maiden name and I have spent a lot of time researching them, and to find this is great - and looking on the IGI it goes back a long way. (will need to be thoroughly checked though) What I don;t get though is ow they managed to live there for so long before being sent away!?!

Its funny how every little thing that has managed to survive and we manage to unearth is really exciting.My favourites are a couple of old wills 17th and early 18th century and a very old court case dated 1579! Pauline

Removal Order served against John Callwood and his family on 9/12/1800 (Shropshire Archives Reference P161/L/7/6). County of Salop To the church wardens and overseers of the poor of the Parish of Lilleshall in the County of Salop and to the church wardens and overseers of the poor of the Parish of St Werburgh in the City of Chester and to each and every of them. Upon the complaint of the church wardens and overseers of the poor of the Parish of Lilleshall, aforesaid in the said county of Salop unto us whose names are here unto set and seals affixed, being two of his Majesty's justices of the peace in and for the said County of Salop and one of us of the quorum, that John Callwood and his wife Mary and seven children viz William aged 19, Sarah 17, John age 14, Ann age 13, Thomas age 7, Joseph age 5 and James aged 2 years have come to inhabit in the said Parish of Lilleshall not having gained a legal settlement there, or produced any certificate owning themselves to be settled elsewere, and that the said John Callwood his wife and seven children as aforesaid are likely to be chargeable to the said Parish of Lilleshall;we the said justicies upon due proof made thereof, as well upon the examination of the said John Callwood upon oath, as otherwise, and likewise upon due consideration had of the premisses, do adjudge the same to be true; and we do likewise adjudge, that the lawfull settlement of them the said John Callwood and his wife & 7 children as aforesaid is in the said Parish of St Werburgh in the said City of Chester. We do therefore require you the said church wardens and overseers of the poor of the said Parish of Lilleshall or some, or one of you, to convey the said John Callwood his wife and 7 children from and out of your said Parish of Lilleshall to the said Parish of St Werburgh in the City of Chester and then to deliver to the church wardens and overseers of the poor there, together with this our order, or a true copy thereof;and we do also hereby require you the said church wardens and overseers of the poor of the said Parish of St Werburgh in City of Chester to receive and provide for them as inhabitants of your Parish in City of Chester. Given under our hands and seals the Ninth day of December in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred. J.Williams Chas Buckeridge How interesting!!!! (and they are mine!!!)

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