Genealogy Chat

I have a marriage cert. (1903) I can trace, in the censuses, the brides family back to 1841. I can find the groom in 1901 only. Where am I going wrong?

Mick, give us the details so a few people can have a snoop

mis-transcribed , or not where you thought he was, i'll bet tell us what you know and someone will sniff him out!

Bear with me., my fingers are almost as fat as my head. Marriage 1903. Hexham Reg. Office. Groom. Alfred Armstrong, 26yrs. Bachelor. Boiler Fireman. living at Carr Shield. Allendale. Father John Armstrong, dec. Lead miner. 1901 census RG13/4825 Hexham Allendale ED.etc.15 Folio 102, page 4. Household Schedule no. 25 Alfred is a boarder.

Hi Mick I think he was probably born Robert Alfred Armstrong Births Dec 1875 Armstrong Robert Alfred Hexham 10b 313 1891 Robert A Armstrong Age: 15 Estimated birth year: abt 1876 Relation: Servant Gender: Male Where Born: Allendale, Northumberland, England Civil parish: West Acombe Ecclesiastical parish: St John Lee Town: Acomb County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Source information: RG12/4249 Registration district: Hexham Sub registration district: Chollerton ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Folio: 15 Page: 23 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 6099359 1881 Ann Armstrong abt 1839 Allendale, Northumberland, England Head Allendale Northumberland John J. Armstrong abt 1860 Allendale, Northumberland, England Son Allendale Northumberland Robert A. Armstrong abt 1876 Allendale, Northumberland, England Son Allendale Northumberland Thomas W. Armstrong abt 1870 Allendale, Northumberland, England Son Allendale Northumberland There is know Robert Alfred Armstrong in the 1901 census I will keep digging be back in a mo! Deb

Im Back I am a bit confused now just looked at that family in 1871 and 1861.....see below Ann is with hubby in 1861 but his name is William but he is a lead miner???? 1871 Ann Armstrong abt 1839 Allendale, Northumberland, England Head Allendale Northumberland View Record John J Armstrong abt 1860 Allendale, Northumberland, England Son Allendale Northumberland View Record Maria Armstrong abt 1864 Allendale, Northumberland, England Daughter Allendale Northumberland View Record Mary E Armstrong abt 1862 Allendale, Northumberland, England Daughter Allendale Northumberland View Record Thomas W Armstrong abt 1870 Allendale, Northumberland, England Son 1861 Ann Armstrong abt 1839 Allendale, Northumberland, England Wife Allendale Northumberland View Record John Joseph Armstrong abt 1860 Allendale, Northumberland, England Son Allendale Northumberland View Record William Armstrong abt 1827 Allendale, Northumberland, England Head Allendale Northumberland View Original Record View original image Needs a bit more work I think Deb

Thanks Deb. I had noticed him but was very unsure Dates and place seemed to vary a little overmuch Mick

Sorry guys, old man didnt believe it took that long to have a wee, so I had to go out to help again! See we have a different name now? I was wondering, so near the Scottish border .....? Have we found a death for the dad? Perhaps sonny jim was with grandparents?

I just found a poss death for Ann's hubby william Deaths Sep 1870 Armstrong William 42 Hexham 10b 182 Alfred (or Robert if that's him) could have been ilegitimate and just said his dad's name was John Armstrong!!!!!!

I am sure that the name is Alfred. According to the 1901 census he is living with Thomas & Margaret Golightly in Carr Shield aged 25. a Boiler stoker in the Lead works.born in West Allen. All of which tallies with his marriage chit. Mick

Let me check on the Golightly's, back soon

This is ann in 1871 Name: Ann Armstrong Birth: abt 1839 - Allendale, Northumberland, England Residence: 1871 - Carr Shield and Colcleugh, Allendale, Northumberland, England she does have links with Carr Shield

No luuck with the Golightly's (bro& sis) both born Allendale c.1843&51 respectively, in Cumberland in 1891, no Alfred. But found a birth reg for an Alfred Armstrong dec.1880 .in the Hexham reg. district, the only other is Robert Alfred, b.1875. How can I pick the most likely????????

Enough for tonight! I'll carry on tomorrow Thanks to all who searched. Mick

Hi Mick It's a tricky one!!!! I do think it's strange that in the 1881 -1891 there is a Robert Alfred Armstrong but he is not in the 1901 and in the 1901 there is a Alfred Armstrong but he is not in the 1881/1891. Did you take on board what Heather said that he could be over the boarder in Scotland. You could put a request on the records office board for a Scottish Look-up if you do not have access to these records. Anyway, let us no how you get on. Deb

Still no luck. I think I'll leave it for a few days, and then try again. Thanks everyone Mick

I hope that I will be pardoned for raising this again, but I am completely lost. As we established before , there are two possibilities for Alfred.. I am sure that I can discount the 1880 one. Robert Alfred ,1875 seemed to fit the bill. Followed him back through the censi. 1891. servant. 15yrs. Acomb Northumberland. 1881 living with mother. 5yrs Mothers name Ann.Widow aged 42. Coalcleugh. Allendale. 1871 Ann. Widow 32yrs b. 1839, Allendale. 1861Ann 22yrs Husband William, b. 1827 Allendale I'm fairly sure of the family. At this stage I thought Oh FIG, and started to search for Alfreds death He died in abt.1947, in Crawcrook CoDurham. I have checked the register from 1945 to 1950 and can find no poss entry for either Alfred Armstrong or Robert Alfred Armstrong. He must be about somewhere, but where?