Genealogy Chat

Hi guys How can I find someone who doesn't want to be found. My great great Grandfather Ignatius Smith just drops of all records from 1891. I have his wedding certificate to Elizabeth Ann Taylor in 1888 his fathers name is on it William Smith. I know they had two chidren Alice 1892 and Sam 1890 I can't find any birth records of them either. I have trying to find this info for nearly two years now. Got all the rest of the tree in place with this great big gaping hole. Can anyone help out there please please!

Where were they from Can you post the result of census that you have found them on before?

With a name like Smith, we are going to need more data!! Please could you post the census info you DO have. I'm not sure which side of 1891 you are saying you can't find him? Merry

Is this the family?: 1861: Ann Smith abt 1834 Preston, Lancashire, England Wife Preston Lancashire Joseph Smith abt 1861 Preston, Lancashire, England Son Preston Lancashire William Smith abt 1828 Preston, Lancashire, England Head Preston Lancashire 1871: Ann Smith abt 1831 Preston, Lancashire, England Head Blackburn Lancashire Ignatius Smith abt 1868 Preston, Lancashire, England Son Blackburn Lancashire Joseph Smith abt 1861 Preston, Lancashire, England Son Blackburn Lancashire Samuel Smith abt 1863 Preston, Lancashire, England Son Blackburn Lancashire 1881: Ann Smith abt 1831 Preston, Lancashire, England Head Blackburn Lancashire Jonatius Smith abt 1868 Preston, Lancashire, England Son Blackburn Lancashire Samuel Smith abt 1863 Preston, Lancashire, England Son Blackburn Lancashire 1891: Ignatius Smith abt 1868 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Head Livesey Lancashire Married but no wife, in the last one. Merry

I've just been reading your other thread on the same subject... So this is his wife and children? 1901 Alice Smith abt 1892 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Daughter Burnley Lancashire Samuel Smith abt 1890 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Stepson Burnley Lancashire Elizth A Taylor abt 1871 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Wife Burnley Lancashire Moses Taylor abt 1871 Preston, Lancashire, England Head Burnley Lancashire Alice Whalley abt 1844 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Mother-in-law Burnley Lancashire James Whalley abt 1839 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Stepfather Burnley Lancashire So......Elizabeth began as a Taylor, married a Smith, then married a Taylor who had a mother-in-law and a step-father both called Whalley! There's something very odd going on here! Merry

I've also seen Elizabeth A Smith and Samuel Smith in separate households in 1891......aged 20 and 1 respectively. Have you got those? Merry

What about this birth cert?: Name: Samuel Smith Year of Registration: 1889 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Blackburn County: Lancashire Volume: 8e Page: 366 There are numerous ones for Alice! Merry

Wow, it took me two years to get that info. Yes, this is the family. I don't know the details of Sam and Elizabeth in separet households. What are the details? 1861: Ann Smith abt 1834 Preston, Lancashire, England Wife Preston Lancashire Joseph Smith abt 1861 Preston, Lancashire, England Son Preston Lancashire William Smith abt 1828 Preston, Lancashire, England Head Preston Lancashire 1871: Ann Smith abt 1831 Preston, Lancashire, England Head Blackburn Lancashire Ignatius Smith abt 1868 Preston, Lancashire, England Son Blackburn Lancashire Joseph Smith abt 1861 Preston, Lancashire, England Son Blackburn Lancashire Samuel Smith abt 1863 Preston, Lancashire, England Son Blackburn Lancashire 1881: Ann Smith abt 1831 Preston, Lancashire, England Head Blackburn Lancashire Jonatius Smith abt 1868 Preston, Lancashire, England Son Blackburn Lancashire Samuel Smith abt 1863 Preston, Lancashire, England Son Blackburn Lancashire 1891: Ignatius Smith abt 1868 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Head Livesey Lancashire Married but no wife, in the last one.

1891: Samuel is with a family called Ellison: Samuel Smith abt 1890 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Lodger Livesey Lancashire and Elizabeth is with a family called Gregson. She is married (no husband there) and is a cotton weaver. 1891: Elizabeth A Smith abt 1871 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Lodger Habergham Eaves Lancashire Not saying these are def your two, but possible. Merry

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1888 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference SMITH Ignatius TAYLOR Elizabeth Ann Blackburn Register Office or Registrar Attended Blackburn RM/100/110

Thankyou guys I have the marraige certificate of Ignatius and Elizabeth Ann. Neither Sam nor Alice are listed on the Lancs BMD site. Somebody suggested that Ignatius may have been in an asylum or something. I know thats where I'll end up if I don't find him soon.

The Lancs BMD site is not yet complete. I posted the probable birth reg for Samuel further up. Can't see the marriage for Elizabeth's mother, Alice Taylor, to James Whalley either! Merry