Genealogy Chat

I was hoping to get a little help and advice in my search for my great grandmother. I am new to this and I am really not sure how best to go about things, so any tips would be appreciated. Here is the information I know already:- Her name was Beatrice Mary Evans I think, although, it is possible that she was Mary Beatrice Evans I think her husband called her BEATTIE I think she was born in Crewe (or possibly Hull) around 1890ish. She married a man called William Kirkpatrick and they spent time in Montreal Canada serving with the Canadian Army I believe. They returned to England where she left her family, leaving my 4 year grandmother on the doorstep with a packet of sweets and instructions to 'wait for Daddy'. That was the last my Grandmother saw of her mother. We do not want to judge, we realise she was young and by all accounts deeply disturbed by the loss of her son. It is possible there was another man involved. I am a Mum myself now and I would really like to know what became of my Great Grandmother, my own grandmother died in 1984 never knowing what happened to her mother. Any help appreciated. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

do you know where or when she married william? first childs birth is usually a good pointer

Do you know whether the marriage to Kirkpatrick was in England? Reg

I found this one on Yorks BMD, which could be the birth... Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1892 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference EVANS Beatrice M Humber Hull HUM/27/472 Christine

Could she have been called Sarah Beatrice Evans? There is this marriage in 1912... Marriages Mar 1912 Collier Maud Cope Ashton 8d 593 Cope Ernest Collier Ashton 8d 593 Evans Sarah B Kirkpatrick Ashton 8d 593 Kirkpatrick William H Evans Ashton 8d 593 Georgina.

1901 census has one born in Hull.............. Ada Evans abt 1888 Hull, Yorkshire, England Daughter Holy Trinity and St Mary Yorkshire View Record Albert E Evans abt 1895 Hull, Yorkshire, England Son Holy Trinity and St Mary Yorkshire View Record Beatrice Evans abt 1893 Hull, Yorkshire, England Daughter Holy Trinity and St Mary Yorkshire View Record Ellsie Evans abt 1896 Hull, Yorkshire, England Daughter Holy Trinity and St Mary Yorkshire View Record George F Evans abt 1899 Hull, Yorkshire, England Son Holy Trinity and St Mary Yorkshire View Record James Evans abt 1855 Hull, Yorkshire, England Head Holy Trinity and St Mary Yorkshire View Record James Evans abt 1877 Hull, Yorkshire, England Son Holy Trinity and St Mary Yorkshire View Record Louisa Evans abt 1885 Hull, Yorkshire, England Daughter Holy Trinity and St Mary Yorkshire View Record Mary E Evans abt 1855 Barrow, Lincolnshire, England Wife Holy Trinity and St Mary Yorkshire View Record Millicent Evans abt 1886 Hull, Yorkshire, England Daughter Holy Trinity and St Mary Yorkshire Phoebe Evans abt 1881 Hull, Yorkshire, England Daughter Holy Trinity and St Mary Yorkshire View Record Thomas A Evans abt 1880 Hull, Yorkshire, England Son Holy Trinity and St Mary Yorkshire If the marriage was in England, and you could find it, the cert would confirm age, plus father's details. Reg

Thank you both for your quick reply, I think she married in Crewe England my Grandmother was the 2nd child and born in 1914 (Montreal), so I am guessing she was married anytime between 1908 and 1913, I know she was very young when she married. Thanks again for your help. Edited to add, WOW, thank you ALL for your amazing help, I am overwhelmed and delighted to have some starting points.

ahh what a sad sad story hopefully with help from lovely people on here we can try and help you find her. I found this birth Crewe comes under Nantwich district my Family come from there including myself. Name: Beatrice Evans Year of Registration: 1888 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Nantwich County: Cheshire Volume: 8a Page: 326 *************************************************** there is one birth c1890 in Hull but her middle name is Beatrice MAY Evans... Name: Beatrice May Evans Year of Registration: 1892 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Hull County: East Riding Of Yorkshire, Humberside Volume: 9d Page: 256 So the above Beatrice is the one Reggie found in 1901 Lesley :~)

This looks like the (very large!) family in 1901 to go with the Beatrice I found on Yorks BMD... James Evans abt 1855 Hull, Yorkshire, England Head Holy Trinity and St Mary Yorkshire Mary E Evans abt 1855 Barrow, Lincolnshire, England Wife James Evans abt 1877 Hull, Yorkshire, England Son Thomas A Evans abt 1880 Hull, Yorkshire, England Son Phoebe Evans abt 1881 Hull, Yorkshire, England Daughter Louisa Evans abt 1885 Hull, Yorkshire, England Daughter Millicent Evans abt 1886 Hull, Yorkshire, England Daughter Ada Evans abt 1888 Hull, Yorkshire, England Daughter **Beatrice Evans abt 1893 Hull, Yorkshire, England Daughter Albert E Evans abt 1895 Hull, Yorkshire, England Son Ellsie Evans abt 1896 Hull, Yorkshire, England Daughter George F Evans abt 1899 Hull, Yorkshire, England Son Source information: RG13/4497 Registration district: Hull Sub-registration district: Humber ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Folio: 141 Page: 8 Household schedule number: 48 Christine

The 1888 one looks likely, in that weddings are usually (not always) in the parish of the bride - but that's the parish where the bride's living at the time, not necessarily where she was born. I have seen May used interchangeably with Mary, but I think it was much earlier - pre-1850-ish. Christine

From Cheshirebmd..........Sarah's second name was indeed Beatrice KIRKPATRICK William Henry EVANS Sarah Beatrice Ashton Civil Marriage Tameside RM/120/13 Reg

Well I can certainly see some possibilities there, I will let you know what I find, once again many thanks to you all Louise

well I have to say that although my Mother says Mary Beatrice or Beatrice Mary I had often had SARAH in my mind, don't know why, maybe somebody mentioned that name to me as a child and it stuck in the depths of my mind. The dates and place and William Kirkpatrick seem to make sense. I will have to chat to my Mum as soon as possible. Very very interesting indeed, many thanks. Louise

Louise Please let us know what more info if any you get from your Mum... I read your story to my daughter (Age 16) who is not interested in this Family Tree stuff one little bit and even she was choked when I read your tale to her I think the Packet of Sweets and the note did it (Sniffle Sniffle) How sad....But it makes you think how hard times were for some folks back then and makes you grateful for what we have now.... Maybe we have a connection via the Evans I have quite a few from Crewe myself.... Lesley :~)

Well I spoke to my Mum today and we aro both convinced that the marriage of SARAH Beatrice Evans in 1912 does indeed relate to our Beattie. I used this info to trace what appears to be her birth in 1891, so it is a good start. Really not sure what to do next, would like to know more about her family and the BIG question her death. This will be hard as I suppose she could have died anytime after 1918 and the search facility on here only allows for 5 year searches. Once again thanks for all your help.

Louise Hi Thanxs for the update :~) I have got Sarah Beatrice on the 1891 & 1901 as Beatrice census do you want them? Lesley :~)

Louise If she died in England/Wales, you can search any time-span for the death, if you register with Ancestry. All bmd's are free on the site............ I would advise against using the link via GR, as I'm pretty sure you have to pay for the 'privilege' Reg

Louise Thanxs for the Pm I will go and get the census's now for you Back in a Mo Lesley :~)

Louise Here is 1891 for Sarah Beatrice ADDRESS:103 High Street.Church Coppenhall Cheshire John Evans abt 1854 Llyamyde, Wales Head OCC:PlateLayer. Sarah Jane Evans abt 1865 Ch Coppl, Cheshire, England Wife Frances Ellen Evans abt 1885 Ch Coppl, Cheshire, England Daughter John Evans abt 1887 Ch Coppl, Cheshire, England Son Elizabeth Evans abt 1889 Ch Coppl, Cheshire, England Daughter >>>Sarah Beatrice Evans abt 1891 Ch Coppl, Cheshire, England Daughter Source information: RG12/2849 Registration district: Nantwich Sub registration district: Crewe ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Folio: 93 Page: 27 & 28 GSU Number: 6097959 *************************************************************************** 1901 ADDRESS:5 Devonport Street. Monks Coppenhall Cheshire John Evans abt 1856 Llanfyllin, Montgomeryshire, Wales Head OCC:PlateLayer on Railway Sarah Jane Evans abt 1867 Crewe, Cheshire, England Wife John Evans abt 1887 Crewe, Cheshire, England Son OCC;Labourer in Forge (Railway Works) >>>Beatrice Evans abt 1891 Crewe, Cheshire, England Daughter Margaret Evans abt 1895 Crewe, Cheshire, England Daughter Richard Evans abt 1898 Crewe, Cheshire, England Son Frederick Evans abt 1900 age 7 Months. Crewe, Cheshire, England Son Source information: RG13/3359 Registration district: Nantwich Sub-registration district: Crewe ED, institution, or vessel: 42 Folio: 118 Page: 20 Household schedule number: 128 ************************************************************************** NOTE Church Coppenhall & Monks Coppenhall are just areas that Crewe where known as. ************************************************************************** Parents Marriage Name: John Evans Name: Sarah Jane Collins Year of Registration: 1886 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Nantwich County: Cheshire Volume: 8a Page: 434 NOTE: Some records come under Nantwich District for Crewe. *************************************************************************** Lesley :~)

Thank you for your good advice Reg, I will certainly be using it. And Lesleythank you so much for your help, I am overwhelmed and my Mum and I were moved to tears. You have been VERY kind. Louise