Genealogy Chat

Can anyone tell me whre the records for Middlesex, mainly St. George's in the East, are held?? Need to find some info. on rellies in 1820's in that area obviously no chance of birth certs. Also, on Pallets marriage, I have found a John marrying a Sarah, but just seems to be the two names, how can you validate on Pallets or get further info on the marriage - Off home to watch footy so will not be around until tomorrow! Gill

There's a great site about Docklands/Watermen which includes some possibly relevat records: http://www.parishregister.*com/searchpage.html (remove *) St George in the East, Stepney 1815 to 1826 Entries: 9,645 Completion:100% St George in the East, Stepney 1826 to 1835 Entries: TBC Completion: COMING SOON *** Online Parish Register Search You can search the database free of charge, for as many names and variations as you like. All you need to do is select a Parish, enter the required Surname and press Search. If you find nothing, that's one Parish Register you won't have to spend many hours searching for your Docklands Ancestors. Enhance your search by adding a forename. This feature has been added due to a number of requests from our regular visitors and is entirely optional. If you use this feature, all forenames will be searched according to your request (including any 'middle' names). If results are obtained, we charge only £2.95 to view full details of all the matches returned by your search. STOP PRESS! Announcing the Docklands Ancestors World Cup Promotion! (well everyone else jumps on the bandwagon!) Our online search sale price will be reduced to £1.95 for the duration of England’s participation in the World Cup. Come on England! The details you can expect to find in the full results are: * Entry number * Date of baptisms * Date of birth (if given) * Child's fornames * Child's surname * Names of mother and father * Address * Occupation * Source reference number and notes from the margin Christine PS - I know this is all Baptisms, but it started out as relevant, and then I thought I'd better leave it in case it's useful to someone else!

London Metropolitan Archives is a good bet - they have a website. Christine

Chris, I think Docklands ancestors only have baptisms if you want marriages itll be LMA. Oh right, you have added that! Sorry. I would say though I had a quick search last week for my Hansons in Shadwell and you get brilliant info, the address and everything, so well worth the money! I got about a dozen baptisms - 6 of which were def mine - for £1.95. (I reckon James ought to be paying me and you commission!) I wish they would get round to marriages soon! At least they are also including south of the river docklands now which is also handy for me. Pallots index is just made up of slips of paper that Pallot and his mates went round some of the churches collecting the names of marriages/baptisms on. There are mistakes and not that many are covered though its a real bonus when you do find one of them on there as at least you have got the parish and year. This may be the only sighting you would get.

Hugh Wallis lists these Baptism batches for IGI: (Saint George In The East) C055781 1729-1779 C055782 1779-1810 C055783 1810-1840 Christine

I have been trying to get the Docklands site by typing in the address Christine posted but keep getting a web hosting site, does anyone know the correct web site address. Ann

Hi Ann I typed it in 'Google' and have got in without any problems. Kind Regards Amanda

The LMA website will give you the film numbers for parish records by Parish and also by event. You can request a search be done on your behalf,but the cost is pretty high and is subject to an extra charge copies of multiple documents. Glen

The address Chris posted looks right, are you replacing the asterisks with full stops (GR doesnt allow us to put the proper addy on here). Dockland Ancestors - Parish registers is a brilliant site. It has helped me so much with my docklands lot (and there are hundreds of them). Have a look at the books and cds on there too - Ive bought a number of them. If you have watermen or lightermen in your tree, the apprentice cd is brill, as you can virtually follow them back for centuries on that - it was a very close knit community/occupation.

HI - THANKS for all the comments, have looked on the site, I think I may have aproblem with this surname, are they transcribed by same peops??? Cos for my CAYZER, I have CAYGER, EAYGER CAYSER so am going to hve to look at loads of possibilities - rather like the look of the CDs - when does all this spending end?? Also all the rellies pre my Grandfather were carpenters he was a lighterman so that one looks interesting - does it show family links or just info. about the guys who worked on the water???

Depends on what you are after - I think the watermen/lightermen passed the trade down for generations, which helps those of us who have them. I guess now and then an outsider crept in - I would check what grandads wifes family were as honestly they are literally almost a closed shop re this occupation. I have Actons from 1700 training Hansons who marry Actons and Actons marrying Steers who marry Horsteads and then Horsteads marrying Hansons (this covers a period of over 200 years and they are still all inter-marrying)and so on and on. Its very useful if you do have peeps in this work. Th watermen cds give the apprenticeship details, not a lot more - apprentice name, area he was bound, the name of his master, the date the apprenticeship was completed (if it was completed! sometimes you get entries like 'ran away' or 'drowned' - one of mine helpfully put 'went to America'.- There are more details available - a very kind soul on here looked up quarterage payments for some of my Hansons which actually indicated when one of them died - i.e. he stopped paying his dues in 1830. But if your family is really into this trade then you can buy the cd and can look through literally (well I can!) tying up whose son is who or brothers and then you see a name which includes a surname as a second name which ties you into another family and so on.So then you have names and rough birth dates to look up the baptisms. But the parish records you can search for baptisms isnt just watermen/lightermen - its any one in those areas and the tip is to just enter a surname in a search as it brings the lot up! For £1.95 its a real bargain.

Does this site have details for Battersea/Wandsworth area? I have recently discovered Lightermen/watermen in my family, through a chance match with a one name study after the owner had contacted me on this site. Lynn

You can ask for a look up on any waterman/lighterman as long as they were apprenticed in London. They will do a name search for the whole period covered I think (17th - 20th century). They also offer a research service. But as Christine and I said, the baptisms on there are searchable for any peeps, not just illustrious water folk!

Note to Heather/Christine - thanks for this info. have found 2 of my lot in Whitechapel, got them for £1.95, one is older sister of my Henry (same parents names/occupation) baptized same day as what looks like a cousin, unfortunately my direct line wasn't born until 1826 and they haven't completed those yet so cant' wait for that to see if any other siblings - I made a quick call to my Mum to tell her about it and asked who it was involved with Thames explaining about the Lighterman/waterman section - she told me and I looked back through that line - so easy to get sidetracked isn't it? - but came up with a Gt.Gt. Grandmother who was Ameilia Whitlock (nee Legon) noted that this was same surname of the guy who is mentioned on the Parish Register thing so have zapped off an email to ask if any connection - just aswell I'm really quiet in the office today cos I've been on this all afternoon!!!! Just as well I'm sort of my own boss!!! and that my boss is out of office today! Gill