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The following marriages have been found and match with later census details and/or certs Elizabeth Rebecca Elmer to George F Wells. Stockport Q4 1880 8a 46 George Elmer (b1858) to Agnes Sargeant Stockport Q2 1880 8a 96 Rebecca Thorbon Elmer to Thomas Browning Lincoln Q2 1885 Lincoln 7a 1014 Martha Thorbon Elmer to George Chambers Licoln Q1 1885 Lincoln 7a 1227 William abt 1860 remained unmarried and Thorbon died between the 71 and 1881. Also George Elmer (b1825) to Susan Wells Norwich Q2 1868 4b 220 Glen

Glitter The 71 details transcrbed as Elmir are the correct family,the Elma transcription doesn't appear to fit. I shouldn't panic about anything from 81 to 1901 for Martha as i know that i have her pinned down thanks to help in the past. As suggested it would seem likely that the kids were together and seeing as there are links to the railways with occupations then i think the train was the method of transport used,varied references to station masters,goods clerks and railway checkers abound in the later census years. 4 kids in their teens missing though does seem a bit of a stretch. Variations tried to date include Ellmer,Elmes,Aylmer,Elenor as well as initials (including with and without the middle 'T' and christian names only. Glen

who are these in 1871? View Record George Elmer abt 1825 North Elmham, Norfolk, England Head St Michael Lincolnshire View Record Rebecca Elmer abt 1862 Norfolk, England Daughter St Michael Lincolnshire View Record Susan Elmer abt 1827 Wells, Norfolk, England Wife St Michael Lincolnshire View Record Edward Wells abt 1852 North Elmham, Norfolk, England Son St Michael Lincolnshire View Record Lillie Wells abt 1863 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Daughter St Michael Lincolnshire

Elizabeth married a Wells,one of her stepmums children. George abt 1858 married a girl from Lincoln,although the marriage was in Stockport.They return to Lincoln and he works as a clerk. I just get the feeling that Lincoln plays a part somewhere,but the Lancs and Stockport connections in 1881 seem slightly strange,kids out there and dad staying in Lincoln. Glen

Merry, Thanks I have just found her but you were quicker on the posting. Maureen

Glitter......that Martha Elma is on the 1861 separate to Glen's rellie :o(( Merry

Hi Glitter Yes that's George the head from the 61 and his youngest daughter,she remained with him and married in 1885 in Lincoln. I have her in the 91 and 1901 with her hubby. George is recorded through from 1841 to 1891 and possibly 1901 but there are two George Elmer deaths in Lincoln in 1901 with reasonable ages for a match. It really is the 71 that causes the problems,i just wish i could find where they went after mum died in 1863.George remarried in 1868 in Norwich,but the kids seem to have been abandoned somewhere,just the youngest stays with him. Glen

1871 Name: Martha Elma Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1853 Relation: Housemaid Where born: West Winch, Norfolk, England Civil Parish: Weybourne Ecclesiastical parish: Holt County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Source information: RG10/1800 Registration district: Erpingham Sub-registration district: Holt ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Folio: 55 Page: 24 Household schedule number: 65 GSU Number: 838798 Have you ruled this one out - name sounds similar

George and Elizabeth appear to have stuck together. Where did they marry, and when? Are their spouses Stockton based? Lots of my Norfolk people head north east, turning up in Stockton, Sunderland, Newcastle etc. The children may well be up there, with other extended family members.

I've looked and looked with no luck yet! As there are several missing, then that suggests wherever they were, they are all together. I wonder if they were in transit and got missed off the census? ........ I concentrated on Martha and George. Merry

1881 is the right family or are they mistranscribed ? Name: George Elmir Age: 56 Estimated birth year: abt 1825 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where Born: Elmham, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Lincoln County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Street address: 34 Strait Condition as to marriage: Married Occupation: Broker Source information: RG11/3244 Registration district: Lincoln Sub registration district: Lincoln Home ED, institution, or vessel: 31 Folio: 33 Page: 14 GSU Number: 1341773 Rebecca Elmir abt 1863 Elmham, Norfolk, England Daughter Susan Elmir abt 1826 Wells, Norfolk, England Wife

1871 just for reference Name: Rebecca Elmer Age: 9 Estimated birth year: abt 1862 Relation: Daughter Where born: Norfolk, England Civil Parish: St Michael Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael County/Island: Lincolnshire Source information: RG10/3373 Registration district: Lincoln Sub-registration district: Lincoln Home ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Folio: 121 Page: 6 Household schedule number: 32 GSU Number: 839365 George Elmer abt 1825 North Elmham, Norfolk, England Head Susan Elmer abt 1827 Wells, Norfolk, England Wife Edward Wells abt 1852 North Elmham, Norfolk, England Son Lillie Wells abt 1863 Yarmouth, Norfolk, England Daughter Maureen

Details from 1861,North Elmham,Norfolk RG9/1244 Folio 54 Pg 13 Household 72 George Elmer abt 1825 Head,Elmham (also in 41,51,71,81,91) Elizabeth abt 1827 Wife,Heacham (died in 1863) George abt 1858 Son,Dunham (also in 81,91,1901) Elizabeth abt 1853 Daur,Dunham (also in 81,91,1901) Thorbon abt 1851 Son,Dunham (found in '71 died pre 81) Martha abt 1855 Daur,Billingford (also 81,91,1901) William abt 1860 Son,Worthing (also 71,81,91 died 1899) by 81 family split as follows George abt 1825 living in Lincoln with 2nd wife George abt 1858 living in Stockport,married Elizabeth abt1853 living in Stockport,married Martha abt 1855 liviing in Poulton le Fylde,Lancs single William abt 1860 living in Elmham with uncle single By 91 William still in Elmham and rest seem to appear in Lincoln. Just the 1871 is missing.Maybe they are in a workhouse somewhere but the grandparents owned a large farm and employed 15 workers so why take some kids and not the others? I have the images for Grange Farm,North Elmham for 1841,51,61,and 1871. Glen

I wasn't aware of any special problems with the 1871 census. Ancestry have not made a list of missing places (!!). If you knew where these people were going to be, then I would have suggested doing a search on the place only in 1861, 1871 and 1881, to see how many people were living there - that gives an idea of whether a great swathe is missing.....but won't help if you don't know where they should be! I need to avoid Olde Crone for the next few days/weeks, so if you want to post what you know about your family from 1861 and also which people were known to be alive in 1871 etc then I'll have a look if no one else gets their first! (have to make some food in a minute!) Disbanded families always seem to be the most difficult to find. Merry

I can find my 2x g g/parents and 3x g/gparents with sibs/spouses etc but my g g/parents seem to be missing. I have tried varied spellings,initials and christian name only but no joy after 3 months of looking. My g g/m lost her mother in 1863 and her father is easy to find with new wife but minus 5 kids.One is in a workhouse 100 miles away and one is with relatives but i can't locate any of the others. Glen

Are there any areas of the country that are poorly covered in the '71?My g g/parents and all their sibs are proving very dificult to find.See below