Genealogy Chat

Hi guys thankyou for your replies to my help. Elaine was right I was tucked up in bed for the night. All of you have requested I give you some details, of my dissapearing relo's off the census 1841 - 1871. All following are church birth records that I have from the Much Woolton area, Lancs. JOHN ISLEY and wife Alice (olim Collins). Children: Mary. 1789. Alice. 1790. Jacob. 1792. Mary. 1794. Anna. 1795. Elizabeth. 1798. John. 1799. NB: there were two children with the same name, possibly the first mary died. CHARLES ISELEY and wife Elizabeth (olim Collins, Helsby) Children: Anna. 1812. Charles. 1813. Thomas. 1815. Charles senior is my gr gr gr grandfather. and junior is gr gr grandfather. CHARLES HISELY (1813) and wife JANE (1807) Children: Jane. 1851. Henry. 1856. (gr grandfather) James. 1859. I have found only my gr grandfather and his wife and children on the 1881 and 1891 and 1901 census, But once again under the surnames, of HIESBY, THESLEY and HICSLEY. I have not found any of the family on the 1841 - 1871 census's. As you guys mentioned maybe some fresh eyes are needed. Kind regards, Elaine (down under)

is this part of another request? What is it you are looking for? AH! found yor original message, will put it below **************************************************************************** Hi All, What advise do you have for where I go next. My family are not showing up on the 1841 -71 census's. Eventhough I have found parish records of them being born in an area, prior to this.. Due to the surname being spelt so many different ways throughout my research, I have even tried trawling the census's street by street, hoping to find something that way. Any suggestions on where to go from here? Kind regards, Elaine. (Australia) ************************************************************************* Now , can i re-jiffle the info above and then see what we can find? info from Above Hi guys thankyou for your replies to my help. Elaine was right I was tucked up in bed for the night. All of you have requested I give you some details, of my dissapearing relo's off the census 1841 - 1871. All following are church birth records that I have from the Much Woolton area, Lancs. JOHN ISLEY and wife Alice (olim Collins). Children: Mary. 1789. Alice. 1790. Jacob. 1792. Mary. 1794. Anna. 1795. Elizabeth. 1798. John. 1799. NB: there were two children with the same name, possibly the first mary died. CHARLES ISELEY and wife Elizabeth (olim Collins, Helsby) Children: Anna. 1812. Charles. 1813. Thomas. 1815. Charles senior is my gr gr gr grandfather. and junior is gr gr grandfather. CHARLES HISELY (1813) and wife JANE (1807) Children: Jane. 1851. Henry. 1856. (gr grandfather) James. 1859. I have found only my gr grandfather and his wife and children on the 1881 and 1891 and 1901 census, But once again under the surnames, of HIESBY, THESLEY and HICSLEY. I have not found any of the family on the 1841 - 1871 census's. As you guys mentioned maybe some fresh eyes are needed. Kind regards, Elaine (down under)

taking this snipett from above CHARLES HISELY (1813) and wife JANE (1807) Children: Jane. 1851. Henry. 1856. (gr grandfather) James. 1859. * where has this info come from? jane born 1807 produces a daughter in 1851 ( so aged mid 40, then goes on and has 2 more, the 3rd when she is 52? * i cant find any of them in 1851 census

There is this one from 1861:- Name: Charles Isley Age: 25 Estimated birth year: abt 1836 Relation: Head Household: View other family members Gender: Male Where born: Much Wootton, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Clifton Ecclesiastical parish: Clifton County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Source information: RG9/2861 Registration district: Barton Upon Irwell Sub-registration district: Worsley ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Folio: 79 Page: 26 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 138 GSU Number: 543040 More likely agewise to be a son of Charles and Jane? Yvonne

Sory Oxbird I just noticed, not fully awake yet :-) Yvonne

am being ignorant here - what does olim mean (in your message you have - olim Collins) because could this be relevant 1861 Charles Collins Sr. abt 1814 Much Woolton, Lancashire, England Head Little Woolton Lancashire Charles Collins Jr. abt 1846 Much Woolton, Lancashire, England Son Little Woolton Lancashire Henry Collins abt 1855 Little Woolton, Lancashire, England Son Little Woolton Lancashire James Collins abt 1854 Little Woolton, Lancashire, England Son Little Woolton Lancashire Jane Collins Sr. abt 1813 Much Woolton, Lancashire, England Wife Little Woolton Lancashire Jane Collins Jr. abt 1851 Little Woolton, Lancashire, England Daughter Little Woolton Lancashire Thomas Collins abt 1843 Little Woolton, Lancashire, England Son Little Woolton Lancashire William Collins abt 1840 Much Woolton, Lancashire, England Son Little Woolton Lancashire address Folly Vale Charles stonemason

Well done Elaine This could be them in 1841 Charles Collins abt 1812 Lancashire, England Childwall Lancashire View Record Elizabeth Collins abt 1836 Lancashire, England Childwall Lancashire View Record Ellen Collins abt 1838 Lancashire, England Childwall Lancashire View Record Jane Collins abt 1813 Lancashire, England Childwall Lancashire View Record Mary Collins abt 1834 Lancashire, England Childwall Lancashire View Record William Collins abt 1840 Lancashire, England Childwall Lancashire

sorry Elaine - have got to go out - will come back to this later!

This looks like them in 1851 Charles Collin abt 1815 Wooton, Lancashire, England Head Little Woolton Lancashire Charles Collin abt 1845 Le Wootton, Lancashire, England Son Little Woolton Lancashire Ellen Collin abt 1838 Wooton, Lancashire, England Daughter Little Woolton Lancashire Jane Collin abt 1813 West Derby, Lancashire, England Wife Little Woolton Lancashire Margret Collin abt 1843 Wooton, Lancashire, England Daughter Little Woolton Lancashire Thomas Collin abt 1848 Little Woolton, Lancashire, England Son Little Woolton Lancashire William Collin abt 1835 Wootton, Lancashire, England Nephew Little Woolton Lancashire William Collin abt 1843 Wooton, Lancashire, England Daughter Little Woolton Lancashire They also have a nephew William with them Yvonne

Just come back in and it appears that we have cracked this one - but can I go back to my original question -- what does olim mean (just so I know if it comes up again!!!)

A few more details here - from the British Isle Vital Records Index COLLINS, Ellen Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 22 Feb 1838 Christening Date: 1 Apr 1838 Recorded in: Woolton, Lancashire, England Father: Charles COLLINS Mother: Jane Source: FHL Film 1068855 Dates: 1826 - 1874 COLLINS, Margaret Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 1 Mar 1842 Christening Date: 3 Apr 1842 Recorded in: Woolton, Lancashire, England Father: Charles COLLINS Mother: Jane Source: FHL Film 1068855 Dates: 1826 - 1874 COLLINS, Charles Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 17 Dec 1845 Christening Date: 1 Feb 1846 Recorded in: Woolton, Lancashire, England Father: Charles COLLINS Mother: Jane Source: FHL Film 1068855 Dates: 1826 - 1874 COLLINS, Jane Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 19 Oct 1849 Christening Date: 2 Dec 1849 Recorded in: Woolton, Lancashire, England Father: Charles COLLINS Mother: Jane Source: FHL Film 1068855 Dates: 1826 - 1874

Oh dear - are we working on the wrong line here - have just found these on the BI VRI ISELEY, James Christening Gender: Male Birth Date: 18 Sep 1859 Christening Date: 2 Oct 1859 Recorded in: Woolton, Lancashire, England Father: Charles ISELEY Mother: Jane Source: FHL Film 1068855 Dates: 1826 - 1874 ISELEY, Jane Christening Gender: Female Birth Date: 30 Apr 1851 Christening Date: 1 Jun 1851 Recorded in: Woolton, Lancashire, England Father: Charles ISELEY Mother: Jane Source: FHL Film 1068855 Dates: 1826 - 1874

if we are talking about the same family here, why the change of name from Collins to Iseley ?? HELP !!!!!!

Think I will leave this for a while until Elaine in Australia comes back to us!!!

I'm sorry not to have joined in, but a lot had happened by the time I arrived! Merry

Evening from a drip under pressure, aka expert lol. I won't jump in when so much has been done - plus the braincell is in need of a recharge & caffeine fix. :)))))