Genealogy Chat

Hi heather no, i dont think they are related (or i havent found a connection yet!!). My lot came from Embleton/Alnwick area, though John was allegedly born in Newcastle.........just discovered Isabella was also born Newcastle according to1891 census!!! I will get his birth cert on monday, luckily i work for Newcastle Council, so i can go in my lunch hour to order them!! thanks for your help. Penny

Good luck - there seems to be an awful lot of John Samples to check out! BTW, is this lot related - guess youve seen them? 1901 Alexander Sample abt 1862 Sunderland, Durham, England Head South Shields Durham James Sample abt 1890 South Shields, Durham, England Son South Shields Durham Jane Sample abt 1857 South Shields, Durham, England Wife South Shields Durham John Sample abt 1886 South Shields, Durham, England Son South Shields Durham Thomas Sample abt 1888 South Shields, Durham, England Son South Shields Durham Walter Sample abt 1892 South Shields, Durham, England Son South Shields Durham John Snaith abt 1822 Easington, Durham, England Father-in-law South Shields Durham Just wondered, cos the South Shields connection.

Heather I will get birth cert, i also need to get his brother John's as his age seems to vary between 1885 and 1888!! Penny

Well, Id get the birth cert if I were you. The other nearest one was 2 years older than him. Mistakes are made. It may not have been the enumerator on the door, he gives his forms back to the offfice and they are copied again. Sometimes you can find that the guys attention has drifted and he will mix up birth places. Ive had a family of three where the son was born Holborn, shown Hereford, the father born Hereford shown Berkshire and the mother born Berkshire shown Holborn. They were only human and sitting there all day doing quite a boring job!

Thanks Nell the certs i have are correct, Andrew was my great grandfather and i was given the originals . Penny

Heather the birth you found is the one i had that i thought was the 'correct' one. you also have the correct family. i cant understand why the census says he was born in South Shields (i know it could be a mistake by whoever answered the door on the day of the census) as i cant find anything else to say he was born there. i did think he could have lied about his age but was not sure. Penny

Ages on censuses can be wrong. Ages on marriage certs can be wrong. Ages on death certs can be wrong. 1901 census definitely states 11 in the age column. Alnwick Northumberland Dorothy Sample abt 1858 Alnwick, Northumberland, Head John Sample abt 1887 Newcastle Upon Tyne Son Isabella Sample abt 1888 Embleton, Northumberland Daughter Andrew Sample abt 1890 Alnwick, Northumberland, Son Elizabeth Sample abt 1892 Alnwick, Northumbe Daughter Ellen Sample abt 1894 Alnwick, Northumberland Daughter If he was born 1890 he ought to be on the 1891 census. And it looks like he is: 1891 census - Learchild Northumberland John Sample abt 1856 South Carlton, Northumberland, Head Dorothy Sample abt 1858 Alnwick, Northumberland, Wife William Sample abt 1883 Alnwick, Northumberland, Son John Sample abt 1886 Embleton, Northumberland, Son Isabella Sample abt 1887 Newcastle Upon Tyne, Daughter >>>Andrew Sample abt 1890 South Shields Son This looks like the same family, though the birthplace for Andrew is different. That changes from census to census too. I'd say on this evidence that the marriage cert and death cert are a) wrong or b) apply to a different Andrew. nell

Well, its not ancestry thats telling you his year of birth, they only transcribe what is on the original census forms. I take it you have looked at the image? Have you only found him on one census? If its says 1890, he should appear in 1891 Have you found his birth reg? Oh, I just checked and there are a few Andrew Samples, arent there? Birth Name: Andrew Sample Year of Registration: 1890 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Alnwick County: Northumberland Volume: 10b Page: 402 1891: If this is the right family then I guess Andy was telling porkies about his age when he married? Knocked four years off and kept it up til he died? Andrew Sample abt 1890 South Shields Son Learchild Northumberland Dorothy Sample abt 1858 Alnwick, Northumberland, England Wife Learchild Northumberland Isabella Sample abt 1887 Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England Daughter Learchild Northumberland John Sample abt 1856 South Carlton, Northumberland, England Head Learchild Northumberland John Sample abt 1886 Embleton, Northumberland, England Son Learchild Northumberland William Sample abt 1883 Alnwick, Northumberland, England Son Learchild Northumberland

Hi I have an Andrew Sample in my family tree. I have a copy of his death cert and marriage cert. He married in 1919 and said he was 25. His death cert states died 1942 age 48. Both of these show he was born in 1894. SO why does Ancestry keep telling me he was born c1890? He is on the 1901 census. Andrew was born in Alnwick, Northumberland. (Source information: RG13/4840) His mother was Dorothy born 1858 and his father was John Sample born 1856 died before 1901. All the siblings etc match on the 1901 census so I am sure it is the correct family. Has anybody got any ideas? Thanks Penny

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