Genealogy Chat

Hi there, Afdter reading all the replies to this thread, can i just ask posy a question, hope you dont mind me butting in...but how did you find an address in 1871, i tried to follow instructions from another thread yesterday and got totally confused with how to do an address search janet.

Thanks for finding the house Posy. At least I now know they were not hiding there waiting to be found. They were possibly not wanting to be found, and are doing a great job of it! I suspect you may be correct with the Samuel death. I have been right through Ancestry from 1861 to 1876 and although there were a couple more Samuel Hickton deaths than appear on Free BDM none look as promising as the Birmingham one. That will have to be my certificate for next month!! Thanks again Christine in NZ

Just checked - the Samuel, Emma and Caroline HICKMAN mentioned by a previous poster are not them - Samuel is lodging in central Birmingham and was born in Hereford; Emma in Aston is the wife of Henry, with 2 sons and a daughter Emma; and Caroline is in fact only 2 and living in Aston with her widowed mother and 2 sisters. So definitely not yours!

Well the good news is I've tracked down the 1871 census entry for Railway Terrace, Nechells, Birmingham; the bad news is there's no house recorded at the back of No 10! RG10/3152 Reg District: Aston Sub District: Duddeston Enumeration District: 42 Folio: 94 Page:13 There's a Daniel Painter, born abt 1843 at No.10 if that makes it easier to look up. There are only a few back houses recorded in the whole road which seems odd - I would have expected to find whole courtyards full of them in this area. Aston is in Birmingham, 30 miles or so away from Warwick. At this time Aston was a registration district and administrative area in its own right within Warwickshire, adjacent to the Birmingham boundary. It was eventually swallowed up by Birmingham in the early 1900's and is now an inner city suburb, just north of the city centre. So we still don't know where Emma and Caroline where in 1871 - perhaps they were in hiding at the back of No 10 and avoided the enumerator! - but my guess would be that the Samuel who died in Birmingham in 1890 is your man.

Hmmmm, some interesting possibilities here! I guess if he was in jail Emma may have said he had died when she registered Caroline's death. I am beginning to consider other possibilities. There is a stray Samuel Hickton of about the correct age who appears to be single and working as a servant who keeps cropping up as I search for my Samuel. Maybe it is him when he gets out of jail! The other combination of Samuel, Emma and Caroline Hickman is also worth following up on. I had found the Caroline Hicken and really thought the death certificate would turn out to be her mistranscribed. Her father was Joseph on the census I think. I will have to put all these bits and pieces of info together and see what happens! Thanks heaps Christine in NZ

I have looked on the ancestry 1871 index and come up with these three who may possibly be living together! Don't worry about slight discrepancies in age. Worth a look? Samuel Hickman b 1823 Emma Hickman b 1832 Caroline Hickman b 1866 all living in Warwickshire There's also a Caroline HICKEN b 1861 AND a Caroline HICKIN b 1852. Good luck Jan

Going by the information on Caroline's death cert Samuel died before 1876. I had looked at the Birmingham one in the past because the date of birth looked about right. However Samuel was a popular Hickton name and there were at least 3 born around the same time. If the information given at Caroline's death is correct then that must have been one of the others. The Wolstanton one looks less likely because of the date of birth. I have Samuel's baptism in 1827 and I know that is the correct one.

Im not sure if im missing something here, but how do you know when Samuel died??? does it say so on Caroline's death cert??? Ive also found this on 1881 census, year of birth slightly out and surname spelled 'Hickson' ive had a look for this chap in earlier census and can't find a closer match than your Samuel Hickton, interms of his birth place..... Name: Samuel Hickson Age: 47 Estimated birth year: abt 1834 Relation: Convict Household: View other family members Family and neighbors: View neighbors Gender: Male Where Born: Stratford On Avon, Warwickshire, England Civil parish: Islington County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 'Pentonville Prison' Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Convicted Felon Source information: RG11/248 Registration district: Islington Sub registration district: Islington West ED, institution, or vessel: Sentonville Prison and Quarters Folio: 106 Page: 38 GSU Number: 1341054

Yes, possible I guess but the death certificate is for Caroline Hickton and the informant as Emma Hickton, her mother. From that I assumed that she had not remarried. What do you make of it? There are no obvious marriages of Emma Hickton on Free BDM. I had considered that possibility and checked out 2 (both later than 1876 from memory) but excluded them both.

Can't see them. Is it possible Samuel died before 1871 and Emma remarried, and Caroline was included in new husband's surname? nell

Samuel Hickton born Stratford-Upon-Avon 1827 and Emma King born Warwick abt 1833. Caroline Hickton born Warwick 1859. Samuel and Emma married in Warwick in 1857. In 1861 they are all living in Warwick with George Allen, Samuel's stepfather, and Mary Ann King Emma's daughter. I imagine that George will have died between 1861 and 1871 and Samuel and family moved on. Samuel was a labourer in 1861 and on Caroline's death cert he was said to be a builders labourer.

1861 for ref: View Record Caroline Hickton abt 1859 Warwick, Warwickshire, England Daughter Warwick St Mary Warwickshire View Record Emma Hickton abt 1834 Warwick, Warwickshire, England Wife Warwick St Mary Warwickshire View Record Samuel Hickton abt 1828 Stratford, Warwickshire, England Lodger Warwick St Mary Warwickshire View Record Mary Ann King abt 1857 Warwick, Warwickshire, England Daughter-in-law Warwick St Mary Warwickshire

If you give details of when and where the parents were born I can have a quick look for you. nell

No, none of them seem to be able to be found in 1871 so I was rather surprised when the death cert arrived and it was my Caroline. Caroline and Emma were born in Warwick and Samuel in Stratford-Upon -Avon. Emma was 16 when she died. I have not found any other children of the marriage. Until I received the certificate I had no idea that Samuel was dead by then. I felt doubly bereft, loosing them both at the same time with the arrival of the certificate. I had hoped that Samuel had lived a long and happy life as the rest of his family had died young. I was hoping if it was possible to search on the address then maybe they were there, hopelessly mistranscribed or under another name. Christine in NZ

Only able to search in a convoluted and extremely time-consuming way. Have you got daughter Caroline in 1871?

Search for who was living at an address on the 1871 census? I am looking for Samuel and Emma Hickton who vanished after the 1861 census when they were in Warwick. Nobody has been able to find any trace of them on the 1871. I have just received the death certificate of their daughter Caroline who died in Aston Warwick in 1876. The address is 'back 10 Railway Terrace Aston' Samuel was deceased by this time and Emma was present at the death. Were they at this address in 1871?