Genealogy Chat

Thanks Toni, I think that it seems more likely that it was the age that had changed, although I still can't find her in 1851. Ellen Bingham married in Aldershot, whilst Ellen Bangham seems not to have moved from Canterbury! The thing that threw me was that she had stuck with her date of birth as 1842, for the rest of her life. Lynn : -)

The age difference isn't really an issue except to annoy you. The difference could depend on who completed the census, how legible the writing was etc. She may also have added or subtracted a few years on marriage to appear older of younger to the husband. I traced one relative from 51 to whenever he died by his occupation, place of birth and wifes name and age. He couldn't keep his age straight. Toni

Thanks Kate John Bingham was just listed as deceased, no occupation on the marriage cert. David Bangham died in the same qtr as the marriage. I haven't found Ellen Bangham in any other census, or a marriage or death. However surely it is more likely for Ellen to have been the one born c1836, listed with a father John, than for the marriage certificate to have the wrong surname and the wrong father's name? Lynn

A few things you could try to work out whether your Ellen is Ellen Bangham or not: Does her marriage cert give an occupation for her father (other than deceased) which you can check against David's occupation? Also, is David Bangham deceased by the time Ellen gets married? And can you find Ellen Bangham, daughter of David, on the censuses where you have already found your Ellen? Kate.

Thanks for trying Mandy, I wanted to get all the details in, which is why I added the 2nd message, but you'd already started replying! Lynn : - )

Oh no! I was so excited that I was too quick! I wonder if it might still be the same one, even though the father's name is different? Hopefully someone else might come up with a good explanation for that. Mandy :)

Wow, you people are quick but as I added in my 2nd message I had already discounted Ellen Bangham, I found her with her familyin 1851 and her father wasn't John Lynn

And on the 1851: David Bangham abt 1793 Canterbury, Kent, England Head Canterbury St Mildred Kent >>>>> Ellen Bangham abt 1843 Canterbury, Kent, England Daughter Canterbury St Mildred Kent View Record Fredrick Bangham abt 1834 Canterbury, Kent, England Son Canterbury St Mildred Kent View Record Harriet Bangham abt 1800 Dover, Kent, England Wife Canterbury St Mildred Kent View Record Henry Bangham abt 1839 Canterbury, Kent, England Son Canterbury St Mildred Kent

Sorry Tom, I was going to add the rest of my query as a reply. I have looked at the bmd for 1841/42/43 but have found nothing. I did find an entry for Ellen Bangham, which I thought might be right, but I found her on the census and she is a different person. I found an Ellen Bingham c1836 at St Gregory (ville) Kent, on the 1841 census, with a father John, which I thought was possible, but that would have made her 91 on her death. Also, I managed to find this Ellen in 1861, in Surrey, but couldn't find her in 1851or her family. So I am confused, where was Ellen c1836 in 1851 and why would she have dropped 6 years from her age? Sorry its so longwinded, but I wanted to put down what I had already found Lynn

Here she is on the 1861: >>>>Ellen Bangham abt 1843 Canterbury, Kent, England Servant Canterbury St Mary Magdalene Kent View Record William Kirby abt 1842 Dunkirk, Kent, England Servant Canterbury St Mary Magdalene Kent View Record Sarah Murphey abt 1841 Canterbury, Kent, England Servant Canterbury St Mary Magdalene Kent View Record Brian Rigden abt 1857 Canterbury, Kent, England Daughter Canterbury St Mary Magdalene Kent View Record George Rigden abt 1816 Wingham, Kent, England Head Canterbury St Mary Magdalene Kent View Record George W Rigden abt 1844 Canterbury, Kent, England Son Canterbury St Mary Magdalene Kent View Record Harry H Rigden abt 1846 Canterbury, Kent, England Son Canterbury St Mary Magdalene Kent View Record Imogen Rigden abt 1823 Canterbury, Kent, England Wife Canterbury St Mary Magdalene Kent View Record Jane Rigden abt 1848 Canterbury, Kent, England Daughter Canterbury St Mary Magdalene Kent View Record Maude Rigden abt 1860 Canterbury, Kent, England Daughter Canterbury St Mary Magdalene Kent

1861: ?? Name: Ellen Bangham Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1843 Relation: Servant Household: View other family members Gender: Female Where born: Canterbury, Kent, England Civil parish: Canterbury St Mary Magdalene Ecclesiastical parish: Canterbury County/Island: Kent Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Source information: RG9/521 Registration district: Canterbury Sub-registration district: Canterbury ED, institution, or vessel: 29 Folio: 66 Page: 4 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 17 GSU Number: 542654

Hi Lynn Thanks to the really helpful people here on the Tips board who gave me a very useful tip last night .... I've found her birth for you, yippee!! Name: Ellen Bangham Year of Registration: 1842 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Canterbury County: Kent Volume: 5 Page: 62 Mandy :)

Where have you looked for the birth? Have you just searched the free BMD r have you looked through the BETA images on ancestry?

I am looking for my great great grandmother Ellen Bingham.She first appears in 1867 on her marriage to Samuel James Stowell. She is shown as being of full age and her father is John Bingham, deceased. In 1871, she was in Ireland having my great grandfather and then appears in the 81/91/01 censuses, in London, a widow born in Canterbury c1842/3. I have been unable to trace her in 1851/61, nor can I find her birth. I have found her death in 1927 aged 85, which suggests a birth date of 1842. See reply 3 for further details.