Genealogy Chat

i requested the marriage certificate sfor my great grand parents (robert edward carter davis and annie monckton) there were two entries for it so i ordered both to see if i could find why it would be registered twice...well they came through today and this is what ive found certficate 1 registered jan 8th 1915 robert edward carter davis (age 43) and annie moncton (age 23) roberts rank was soldier, roberts fathers name was the same as his he was deceased at time of marriage, Annie didnt have ajob, fathers name samual moncton profession bricklayer certificate 2 registered Dec 31st 1914, robert edward carter davis (age 23) and annie monckton (age 23) roberts rank was soldier, roberts fathers name sames as roberts and deceased at time of marriage, annie had no job fathers name samuel moncton profession bricklayer. now is it me or is this a bit strange? all the details are the same except the ages at time of marriage....could this be one really freakey coincidence or.....what?

Is the date and place of marriage the same? nell

no the dates ar edifferent which was why i bought both just to check it out. the first one is dec 31st 1914 and the other is jan 8th 1915. also just to add im confused . i have roberts birth certficate. we knew he was illigitamite so i wasnt expecting a name under the fathers bit however on the marriage certificates it states robert edward carter davis . now his mothers name was elizabeth (cant read the middle name) david . would they have 'made up' his fathers name for the sake of the church?

People did make up names for their father if they didn't have one, and for the groom the least imaginative name to choose woud be the same as their own! Is the venue the same for both events? Did the same person conduct the wedding? Merry

thats what i would have thought...wondering if i can find out who is father is yep both were at st marys church in southampton and all the signatures at the bottom are the same

So what you're saying is that they married twice - perhaps there was some problem with the first marriage - perhaps the priest wasn't registered to marry them. as to finding a father's name - good luck! If its not on the birth cert or baptism register, you might find details of a maintenance claim in the relevant records office. nell

there's only one week between them.....could it be they were looking at the certificate at home and realised they'd got his age wrong, so went back a week later and got it altered. Just a thought.

It's possible the explanation may lay in the original parish registers.....there may be something written there that explains.... The registers for 1914/15 (well, 1675-1976 for marriages!) are at Southampton City Archives. This web page gives you their phone number and their email address. http://www.southampton.gov.uk/leisure/archives/ I would ask them if they can look for you.....If you ask nicely they might do it for nothing!! They are very helpful people (tell them someone told you that!!) Merry

Maybe they found out that the ages had been recorded wrongly, and the priest/vicar/reverand/clerk had already sent the records off at the end of the quater, so the only way to change it was to have another certificate/cememony. Are the witnesses the same?

all the signatories are the same so i guess the age being wrong could be the reason. thank you for the link ill give them a try

Looking again at the certificates im not sure it is a 43...could be a 2...doesnt look like the 4 on the 1914 certificate

If you've got another certificate that says the people were married on another day it is NOT anything to do with mistakes on the first cert. A mistake can be corrected, if anyone was bothered enough. If it was meant as a correction it would have the same date as the original ceremony. nell

As Robert was in the Army he may have married the first time without his Commanding Officer's permission, sometimes a soldier would have to go through another marriage with consent, for his wife to be counted on strength. Jennifer

other than email the people at the council archives is there anyway i can find that out?