Genealogy Chat

I have the marriage cert of my grt grandfather George Samuel Johnson married Clara Lile on 9th June 1889 at st andrews Bordesley Birmingham Warwickshire both aged 21 at time of marriage. His father is William Johnson proffession mechanic, but i can only find them on one census 1871 and im not even sure if this is them george is listed as being 16months on that census, i have no idea of the mothers name or any siblings etc . I was wondering if anyone could find anything out for me as i might just be having a BLONDE week. The address on marriage cert is 54 Watery Lane. Hopefully Janet.

When and where was George born ?

Could this be the couple on the 1891 census with George using his middle name 'Samuel'? Clara Johnson abt 1868 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Wife Aston Warwickshire Joseph S Johnson abt 1890 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Son Aston Warwickshire Samuel Johnson abt 1869 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Head Aston Warwickshire Address is 3. 24 Court, Aston Road. Kath. x

Yes kathleen this is them on the 1891 census , but i need to find him on earlier census so i can find info in william and his wife.... George was born in Aston Birmingham.

Hi Janet Do you have a little more detail? Have found a Samuel and Clara Johnson living on Aston Road, he is an engine driver and they have a son Joseph, just a shot in the dark as really it would help if you could post where they were born if poss so have just quickly looked for Clara and there are only 2 ion Warwickshire and the other is married to a John. Just wondered if he went by Samuel instead Elaine

Pipped to the post! Elaine

Yes he was known as Samuel to all the family he was my mothers grandfather and she knew him as grandada samuel, but with him listing George Samuel on Wedd cert, he must have been christened george....the census of 1871 lists william as coming from lancashire . i dont feel i have the right one cos all my family come from birmingham area for generations past ...well so mother tells me anyway.....I am not being much help really am I ...Sorry

This is the only George Samuel Johnson birth I can find in Birmingham at around the right time:- George Samuel Johnson March qtr. 1869, Birmingham 6d, 205 I know this would mean he wasn't 21 when he married but he could have lied as lots of people did. Since you have his father's name, you could order the birth certificate and give his father's name as a checking point, so they wouldn't issue the certificate if the father's name was something else. This would then give you his mother's name, to make it easier to find them on the census. Kath. x

Thank you Kath i will check this out and think i better order birth cert many thanks again janet.

Found these families on census who have a father as William and a son called George born circa 1869 who are living in the Birmingham area – don’t know if it helps, but might when you get the birth certificate. 1871 Census RG10/3092 Folio 101 Page 4 William Johnson, Head, Labourer, b. abt 1836, Berry, Lancashire Eliza Johnson, Wife, b. abt 1838, Ireland Thomas Johnson, Son, b. abt 1862, Birmingham, Warwickshire John Johnson, Son, b. abt 1864, Birmingham, Warwickshire, Samuel Johnson, Son, b. abt 1866, Birmingham, Warwickshire Sarah Ann Johnson, Daughter, b. abt 1868, Birmingham, Warwickshire George Johnson, Son, b. abt 1869, Birmingham, Warwickshire 1881 Census RG11/2965 Folio 17 Page 30 & 31 Sheepcote St Cales Buildings, Birmingham William Johnson, Head, General Labourer, b. abt 1823, Crewe, Cheshire Eliza Johnson, Wife, b. abt 1837, Dublin, Ireland Thos. Johnson, Son, Button Maker, b. abt 1862, Birmm Saml. Johnson, Son, Button Maker, b. abt 1865, Birmm Sarah A. Johnson, Daughter, b. abt 1867, Birmm George Johnson, Son, b. abt 1869, Birmm Willm. Johnson, Son, b. abt 1872, Birmm Then there is this family in 1881 1881 Census RG11/2975 Folio 62 Page 8 William Johnson, Head, Sadler, b. abt 1833, Leek, Staffordshire Thirza Johnson, Wife, b. abt 1840, Cobridge, Staffordshire John W. Johnson, Son, Printer Machine Mender or Minder, b. abt 1864, Birmingham Arthur Johnson, Son, Sadler Apprentice, b. abt 1864, Birmingham Clara Johnson, Daughter, b. abt 1865, Birmingham George Johnson, Son, b. abt 1868, Birmingham Herbert Johnson, Son, b. abt 1873, Aston, Warwickshire Elizabeth Johnson, Daughter, b. abt 1875, Aston, Warwickshire Annie Johnson, Daughter, b. abt 1878, Birmingham