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1891: 1891 England Census about George T Davies Name: George T Davies Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1873 Relation: Son Father's name: David Mother's name: Mary A Gender: Male Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Civil parish: Farnworth Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Bolton Sub-registration district: Farnworth ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age David Davies 53 George T Davies 18 Mary A Davies 53 Margaret Marsden 65 Rose

Thank you! Another pair of eyes would be great. Can't seem to work out which Alice and George Davies I should be looking at. It seems either they moved or George changed jobs. In the register, her father is listed as born in Aston, Lancs. with an 'h' added above, going between the s and the t. Her mother, Alice and all the older of the siblings are listed as from Ashton, Lancs. (her younger two siblings born in Burtonwood, where her son Percy was later born.) On a modern map, Ashton, Lancs is Ashton-under-lyne, Tameside, near Oldham. (One of the boarders living with them in 1891 was born in Oldham.)

1881: 1881 England Census about Geo.Thos. Davies Name: Geo.Thos. Davies Age: 9 Estimated birth year: abt 1872 Relation: Son Father's name: D. Mother's name: Mary Ann Gender: Male Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Civil parish: Farnworth County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 44 King St Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Bolton Sub-registration district: Farnworth ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Chas.R. Davies 16 D. Davies 44 David Davies 13 Geo.Thos. Davies 9 Mary Ann Davies 45 Wm. H. Davies 11 Rose

Must be George's birth: Births Mar 1873 Davies George Thomas Birkenhead 8a 542 Rose

Thank you Rose! I am not sure. There's a couple of other possibles I've found in 1901, but nothing which jumps out with a resounding 'YES', if you know what I mean. Birkenhead doesn't seem right, Percy had a strong Yorkshire accent, not a hint of Liverpool. I thought I could access these records for free, but have not been able to see where.

Was Birkenhead in Cheshire? Could it have been Burtonwood, misheard?

George's mother is Mary Ann, and our George named his first child Mary Ann. It would certainly be worth going with this now and seeing what comes up on certificates. I must have looked at this, but the 'Birkenhead' just felt it was wrong - when it is one step nearer to Wales, and a short step from there to Wales. Thanks again, Rose.

No, I'm talking rubbish again, Alice's elder sister's name was mary Ann, not their oldest child. Time for me to take a break!

George was born in Birkenhead, not Percy. Rose

Alice is listed as being born in Ashton in 1891 but Haydock in 1881. That matches with 1901. I found a George born Birkenhead in 1891 and 1881 and his father is David a bricklayer so that matches too. Rose

Yes, it's falling into place.

Yes, it was Alice's birth place which has thrown me off the scent before, and David Davies being a bricklayer (that was the weakest part - I'd expected him to be a collier, or a horseman, or farmer/ dairyman). Haydock is so close to Burtonwood, it's possible that Alice herself didn't know her exact place of birth and chose a likely village. Her parents would have filled in the previous census.

I've copied and printed your look ups, Rose and will research them myself (I like to see the original registers) and eventually order certificates. It's great to have George's mother's name and his parents ages. Gives me lots to go on - finding Mary Ann's maiden name and where she and David came from. Thanks again. Night!

Haydock and Ashton are very close. 1871: 1871 England Census about David Davis Name: David Davis Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1836 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Mary A Gender: Male Where born: Oswestry, Wales Civil parish: Birkenhead Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Birkenhead County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Registration district: Birkenhead Sub-registration district: Birkenhead ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 14 Household Members: Name Age Charles R Davis 5 David Davis 35 David Davis 3 Erna Davis 13 Harriet Davis 9 Joseph Davis 10 Mary A Davis 37 William H Davis 9 months I can't find David in 1861. It's possible he was Mary Ann's second husband. Rose

Rose, that is great. Yes, Haydock is so close, it could have been a house in between. Was this the David Davies who is listed as a bricklayer? Oswestry does ring bells. It jumps out as being in Shropshire, but of course the boarder has moved from time to time. I've spent quite a bit on various family tree related things just lately, so will have to leave it until at least next month to check these out. Will get back to you when I have the certificates. As for David Davies not being on the earlier census - there's a gap in the ages of the children, perhaps his work took him away from home from time to time. My Dad is sure there is a horse/ farming connection there somewhere, with Percy, George or David, but it hasn't shown up so far.