Genealogy Chat

Hello, My dilemma/brickwall is: My paternal family were born in Saltash, Cornwall. To date, I have only found GGrandma and her children, one of which is my Granddad John Robert SHIRLEY b. 1891 in Saltash, Cornwall. His father, my GGrandfather was called John Walter SHIRLEY according to the birth certs of the siblings. John Walter was 'presumed' ( I have no proof ) to have got married to Mary GLANVILLE - illegitimate child of Ann GLANVILLE b. 1854 in Saltash, Cornwall. Mary was aka formally HOSKING ( her stepfather's surname ) on some of the children's birth/marriage certs. I have looked on many ' pay to view sites ' from 1837 upto 1920 for any BMD entries for John Walter SHIRLEY and the only one that I have found was for a marriage in 1854 to a Caroline FOX at Gretna Green. In 1899 on a marriage cert for my GAunt, which took place in Stoke Damerel, Devon, John Walter was listed as father to bride - occ: Mason's Labourer. I have also looked on censuses from 1841 - 1901 in Cornwall/Devon without success. Please can anyone suggest where else I can look? This is so frustrating:0(( Kind Regards, Carol LLOYD nee SHIRLEY

Carol Have a look here to see if there's an online parish clerk for your area. My Cornish OPC gave me 5 pages of relatives the day after I'd sent a simple e-mail asking if she had any info on my gt grandmother! http://west-penwith.org.uk/opc.htm nell

Carol, Can you list the siblings and where and when they were born? Crista

Is this the family in 1881: Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Mary SHIRLEY Wife (Head) M Female 28 Saltash, Cornwall, England Wife Of Corporal Royal Artillery Lucy SHIRLEY Daughter Female 5 Saltash, Cornwall, England Scholar Henry James SHIRLEY Son Male 1 Sandown, Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England Ethel Mary SHIRLEY Daughter Female 8 m Saltash, Cornwall, England James GREET Boarder U Male 44 Tideford St Germans, Cornwall, England Lime Burner Source Information: Dwelling No 2 Fore Street Census Place Saltash, Cornwall, England Family History Library Film 1341548 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 2282 / 84 Page Number 1 Crista

is this the family (1891?) Shirley, Albertha 8 Saltash, Cornwall Daughter Saltash Cornwall Shirley, Alfred 1 Saltash, Cornwall Son Saltash Cornwall Shirley, Ethel 11 Saltash, Cornwall Daughter Saltash Cornwall Shirley, Harry 12 Sandown, Isle Of Wight Son Saltash Cornwall Shirley, Mary 37 Saltash, Cornwall Head Saltash Cornwall No john

could thisbe the marriage? HAYWARD, Hannah Elizabeth 1890 March Marriages Stoke Damerel Devon Hodge, George 1890 March Marriages Stoke Damerel Devon Irons, Mary Ann 1890 March Marriages Stoke Damerel Devon Shirley, John 1890 March Marriages Stoke Damerel Devon To a mary ann Irons?