Genealogy Chat

OK, that's another 42 quid thrown at the GRO today... I need to get an eveing job to pay for all this. Thanks for everyones help today. Brenda

There's this death Deaths Sep 1886 ---------------------------------------- Laws Isaac 35 S. Shields 10a 395 Isaac on 1881?? Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability George FORSTER Head M Male 56 Philadelphia, Northumberland, England Coal Miner Elizabeth FORSTER Wife M Female 54 Hill Top, Northumberland, England Jane FORSTER Daur U Female 24 Seaton Delaval, Northumberland, England Dress Maker Alice FORSTER Daur U Female 19 Bebside, Northumberland, England Charles FORSTER Son Male 13 Bebside, Northumberland, England Coal Miner (Driver) Thomas FORSTER Son Male 9 Barrington, Northumberland, England Scholar George FORSTER Son W Male 31 Wapping, Northumberland, England Coal Miner Elizabeth FORSTER Grand Daur Female 3 Sleekburn, Northumberland, England Isaac LAWS Boarder W Male 30 Kelloe, Durham, England Coal Miner -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 12 Percy St Census Place Backworth, Northumberland, England Family History Library Film 1342229 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 5088 / 39 Page Number 18

Chloe - That Madeline Ormston is very interesting. I've just been searching Freebmd for marriages between 1880 and 1883 with the surname Laws and came upon this entry in March 1882. Laws Isaac S. Shields 10a 796 Leith Charlotte S. Shields 10a 796 Massie Alexander S. Shields 10a 796 Ormston Magdalene S. Shields 10a 796 I've also found a birth for a Mary Lizzie Laws in South Shields in 1886; there were also two births for a Robert Laws and a Robert Bertram Laws, both in South Shields in 1883. We might be on the right track. Thanks, Brenda

Madeline on the 1871? Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image mahan (Unknown) Douglass 18 South Shields, Durham, England Stepdaughter Plawsworth Durham John Ormston 4 Edmondsley, Durham, England Son Plawsworth Durham Mary Ormston 42 South Shields, Durham, England Wife Plawsworth Durham Mary Ormston 5 Pelton Fell, Durham, England Daughter Plawsworth Durham maudlin (Unknown) Ormston 8 Trimdon, Durham, England Daughter Plawsworth Durham Robert Ormston 41 Ouseburn, Northumberland, England Head Plawsworth Durham Robert Ormston 15 Swalwell, Durham, England Son Plawsworth Durham Thomas Ormston 1 Crag Head, Durham, England Son Plawsworth Durham Her birth (but can't find a marriage, best to look on FamilyRelatives) Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page -------------------------------------------- Births Jun 1862 --------------------------------------- ORMSTON Madeline Stockton 10a 8_

Might this be Madeline on the 1881? Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Residence View Image Madeline Ormiston abt 1862 Trimdon, Durham, England Servant Holmside

Brenda - Many thanks. I would have thought of Freebmd............ eventually! Regards, Brenda

Hi Brenda This is the easy bit. If you search for William Hawkins marriage 1886 - 1891 in Durham on freebmd, you get this: Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Dec 1888 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HAWKINS William Sunderland 10a 894 LAWS Madeline Sunderland 10a 894 ROBINSON Sarah Jane Sunderland 10a 894 SWANSON Andrew Austin Sunderland 10a 894 It would be worth ordering this certificate to get Madeline's father's name, her then address and the names of the witnesses.

Unfortunately I don't know Madelines maiden name or when she remarried. I haven't looked for this side of my family for a while and Durham in 1901 was only added fairly recently, so I thought today at lunch I'd have a peep. On her wedding cert in 1920 she lists her stepfather, William Hawkins as her father, so I'm guessing she wasn't very old when her real father died. Infact on her weding cert she is listed as Mary Elizabeth Laws, Donaldson, nee Hawkins! So she was also a widow when she married my Grandfather! I will also take a look at the 3 year old, thanks for that. Brenda

Brenda - I've had a few like this, where the one person I'm looking for was with relatives elsewhere when the census was completed (maybe even living there on a semi-permanent basis!) There is a Mary Laws in 1891, aged 3, listed as niece to a John & Susan Butcher - even if this isn't the right one, it could give you some clues where else to look? Sarah

Do you know Madeline's maiden name? Do you know when she remarried? Such a small child may well have been living with grandparents or maternal aunts or uncles. It is possible that she is listed with their surname, if you have searched on Ancestry and cannot find her.

Looking for my maternal Grandmother, Mary Laws, born in Durham, Hebburn around 1886. I've found her family in 1901 (Durham), she is listed as a stepdaughter to William Hawkins, wife Madeline. Lots of children in this family, Mary is there aged 14, along with her brother Robert aged 17. In 1891 (Durham) Robert is again with this family, but there is no sign of Mary, who would only have been about 4. Where did she go? Can anyone help? Thanks, Brenda

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