Genealogy Chat

Laird, I don't know how to thank you enough, I can't believe that you have given up so much of your time to help me out ! I have so many avenues to go down - I am firstly going to order Alice Maskells birth cert to find out who she is - and where she was born. It certainly looks as though Alice and Adelaide must be sisters and for some reason Alice wasnt at home for the 1881 census and Adelaide out for the 1891 census ! - Goodness only knows where Richard has got too ! I have trawled through 1837online to find a death cert for him, but can't uncover anything. I am going to go into the links you have supplied me with and see what I can find - certain things may ring bells with other members of my family ! Once again, thanks so much for all your time and effort - you will never know how much I appreciate it. Kindest regards Annabel

before I forget - you need to trawl www.familyrelatives.org for Adelaides birth - as its not in FreeBMD. Or 1837Online .... I'd like to know if her middle initial is -R-, -L- or -E- !

Theres no Taylors Place today in that part of London, so cant pursue the 1881 address apart from Limehouse generally..... not far as the crow flies to the later Shoreditch / Haggerston addresses, but further east, almost on the river, essentially a different area. This is also the locale of Mile End - the declared pobs of the kids ... Adelaide/Alice's 1896 marriage address - Sherborne St is still there: its the Hoxton area of Shoreditch, just north of the Moorfields Eye Hosp, close to the Regents Canal. Find it as the left side of the small green area of Tennis Courts with the large words DEBeauvoirTown on it. Here:- http://www.streetmap*co*uk/newmap.srf?x=532613&y=183854&z=2&sv=532613,183854&st=4&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf the 1891 census address turns out to be WHISTON road today. THIS IS LESS than 1/2 mile from Sherborne St - just follow the Regents canal to the east and drop down the A10 a block:- http://www.streetmap*co*uk/newmap.srf?x=533652&y=183518&z=2&sv=533652,183518&st=4&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf 1901 census as Mrs Kessler - back to Adelaide -S- btw, they are in Shaftesbury St. just a tad to the west on the canal and only just north of the MoorFields Eye Hosp. http://www.streetmap*co*uk/newmap.srf?x=532392&y=183169&z=1&sv=shaftesbury&st=1&tl=Shaftesbury+Street,+N1&searchp=newsearch.srf&mapp=newmap.srf Looks pretty good to me - staying in the area etc

Summary:- On the 1881 census you have an Adelaide. On an 1896 marriage cert you have an Adelaide - address 41, Sherborne St. The mans surname is one you relate to ????? In FreeBMD there are NO Adelaides born 1869-1872 (at all)... given this, can we question the name totally ? What other later evidence do you have of the name - childrens birth certs, married name is known to you ??? On the 1891 census we have an Alice - aged 22. We can see a birth for an Alice - 1871, Marylebone, Middx, so IF they are one and the same, theres a 2 year discrepancy in age. Not too happy with the MARYLEBONE - a bit far west .... We can now see a few marriages - esp of an Alice -R- ... My recommendation - if you now doubt the Adelaide name and have no later proof:- 1. Purchase the birth cert for Alice 1871 - check parents. 2. Purchase the marriage cert for Alice -R- - again check address & father. UNLESS the 2 surnames are definately out of court .... I am wondering if (given no birth info - CHECK 1837Online next) the 1881 census was wrong with the name, and the later Adelaide marriage is a coincidence - again unless you know the married name ??? Dunno - thats what makes this stuff so interesting ! ------------------------------------------------------------------- UPDATE: Thurs 17 March. I now think the Adelaide marriage is the right one - especially as you no doubt can see descendants you know named Kessler... I think the Alice is a whim of hers on the 1891 - its too much of a coincidence that an individual MASKELL female with a mother called Susannah would grow up and marry in the same small area Good hunting. LD

well, no sign of Richard .... tried every combo of wildcards on surname, just christian name with age range ... london, middx and whole country ! These MUST be your ladies ... in 1891 - same pob as John .... I begrudgingly purchased the image to satisfy curiousity.... its not mistranscribed - Alice is the christian name, but Susannah is a WIDOW (altho it says wife on the search page) .... Alice /Adelaide is a Restaurant Assistant - Coffee... the pobs and other related district info make this over 90% in my book ... The address is 53, Maston or Whiston St, Haggerston, Shoreditch (St Leonards) I've saved the image... ->Maskell, Alice -R- 22 Mile End, London Daughter Shoreditch London Maskell, Susannah 61 Shoreditch, London Wife Shoreditch London Birth ..... not too happy this is MARYLEBONE - too far west really ... Name: Maskell, Alice Record Type: Births Quarter: June Year: 1871 District: Marylebone (1837-1901) County: London Middlesex Volume: 1a Page: 525 Marriages .... not sure about the 1st 2 given full names, but the last one ... fits well with the 1891 census, ie Shoreditch and middle intial -R- Maskell, Alice Elizabeth 1892 June Marriages Islington Greater London London Middlesex Maskell, Alice Mary 1896 December Marriages Poplar London Middlesex ->Maskell, Alice Rosetta 1896 June Marriages Shoreditch London Middlesex Name Year Quarter Record Type District County ---------------------------------------------------------- Crockett, Henry 1896 June Marriages Shoreditch London Middlesex Edwards, Maria Antonia M A 1896 June Marriages Shoreditch London Middlesex ->Maskell, Alice Rosetta 1896 June Marriages Shoreditch London Middlesex Springgay, John Thomas 1896 June Marriages Shoreditch London Middlesex

btw - in 1881 they are in LIMEHOUSE, Tower Hamlets ..... thats LONDON, Stepney - not Middlesex or Islington; not far as the crow flies to the later Shoreditch / Haggerston addresses, but further east, almost on the river, essentially a different area. This is also the locale of Mile End - the declared pobs of the kids ... GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR - Ancestry is down for maint. ahhhh - was beginning to doubt my stamina at reviewing over a 100 pages - but heres the younger son .... in 1891 ->Maskell, John L 24 Mile End Old Town, London Head Bethnal Green London Maskell, Louis J 2 Stepney, London Son Bethnal Green London Maskell, Sarah L 22 Scotland Wife Bethnal Green London Maskell, William E 3/12 Shoreditch, London Son Bethnal Green London

UPDATE from Annabel ... I've amended some typo's so hope its faithfull to the original ... I have Susannah Maskell (widow) on the 1881 census living at 17 Taylors Place, ISLINGTON with her son Richard W Maskell (aged 25)and son John L Maskell (14) and daughter Adelaide maskell aged 9. All born in Middlesex. Susannah was married to another Richard Maskell who was an umbrella maker but I am assuming he died before 1881 as she is down as a widow. I got the info on Richard senior from Adelaide's marriage cert to Charles John Kessler in 1896. Adelaide's address is 41 Sherbrone St. I think Susannah died in an asylum in 1902 (not sure if this is the right Maskell but it fits the picture) but cannot find a birth ref for Adelaide Maskell and thought finding them on the 1891 would give me a hint ! many thanks Annabel

OK, Annabel - I'm struggling - give us what you've got on these ladies - back at least to 1871.... marriages, spouse name, locations etc....

Annabel - r u sure you have the ages correct - as they would be in the 1891 census ? So Who is this then ? Name: Adelaide Maskell Age in 1871: 18 Estimated birth year: 1853 Relation: Servant Household: View other family members Gender: Female Where born: Langstanth, Cambridgeshire, England Civil parish: Tottenham Ecclesiastical parish: All Hallows County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Source information: RG10/1339 Registration district: Edmonton Sub-registration district: Tottenham ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Folio: 115 Page: 28 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 144 and .... the only Susannah (I can find so far) of the right dob-period is:- 1871 England Census Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Anne Maskell 2 West Ilsley, Berkshire, England Daughter West Ilsley Berkshire George Maskell 44 West Ilsley, Berkshire, England Head West Ilsley Berkshire George Maskell 15 West Ilsley, Berkshire, England Son West Ilsley Berkshire Susannah Maskell 44 Harwell, Berkshire, England Wife West Ilsley Berkshire

Sorry Annabel but that's all i can find c x

do you know the area for 17 Taylors Place or 41 Sherborne Street ? Do you know where either of them were born ?

There is this Name: Maskell, Susannah Age in 1891: 61 Relation: Wife Gender: Female Where Born: Shoreditch, London Civil parish: Shoreditch Ecclesiastical parish: Haggerston St Augustines Town: County: London Street address: View Image Condition as to marriage: View Image Education: View Image Employment status: View Image Occupation: View Image Source information: RG12/254 Registration district: Shoreditch Sub registration district: Haggerston ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Folio: 32 Page: 8 (click to see others on page) she's down as a widow and she's got a daughter but her name is Alice aged 22. The address that she lived at was in London. I have the image if you want it. i'm still looking c x

not the name-group or area but closest fit ... Maskell, Alice R 22 Mile End, London Daughter Shoreditch London Maskell, Susannah 61 Shoreditch, London Wife Shoreditch London not looking good sorry to say 1891 England Census Viewing records 1-2 of 2 matches for: Ade* Mas* Name Age in 1891 Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Civil parish County View Image Save This Mason, Adelaide M 25 Windsor, Berkshire Daughter Hornsey Middlesex Masters, Adeline 12 Buxton, London Daughter Tottenham Middlesex

I'm having a look for you now c x

Hello, Could anyone do a quick look up on the 1891 census for me please. I am looking for the Maskells - Susannah (age 61) and Adelaide her daughter aged 19. They would've lived in the Middlesex area and I am desperate to find them. A possible address is 17 Taylors Place or 41 Sherborne Street, London I know Adelaide lived with her Mum before getting married and Susannah was a widow. Any help anyone could offer would be wonderful. Many thanks