Genealogy Chat

Very many thanks - I have done all sorts of weird and wonderful contortions on this one. Thomas senior was a soldier, I even looked for all the army barracks in the Berkshire areas just in case he met her there. I have about 30 possible marriages for Thomas in right time frame and area and am working through them but yet to find an Ellen to match him. Unfortunately my familyrellies site isnt working today so I have quite a few more stacked up.! I am very grateful for your suggestions and will have a look as soon as the site is up and running. Interesting they are both Westminster - perhaps they chased after a young welsh soldier in his guards uniform there?? As the three younger kids are shown born Westminster (where his barracks is) I had quite hoped to see him marrying in St George Hanover square. Failing that, Holborn which covers Clerkenwell or St Saviours where he is living in Southwark by the 1901. I also thought that he would want to marry soon after his 30th so that if anything happened to him Ellen would get a pension. So that is another premise I worked on. If he signed for 20 years as a soldier he would have demobbed in March of 1901. Very grateful to everyone who has made such an effort to help. Thanks very much. I shall await the possible birth cert with baited breath. NOW, about James William Hanson b. 1832 and his marriage to Mary Ann Wyles around 1857??????????????????lol

Hi Jim possibly, you know us women are like. It is just so strange that the birth place so specific (something we would all usually give an arm for) and then no sign of her. Never mind. No lou, I thought Id play dangerously and just see what I get! I get like that sometimes, throw caution to the wind! The only thing I did notice. I thought I wonder if the girl went down to his parents if he was sent abroad with the army (South Africa/Boer coming up). I did actually find a 1 year old Thomas Jenkins living with another Jenkins in Thomas' old village on welsh border but no sign of Ellen and that boy down as son. And as I said in the Commandments thread, "If thy name is Jenkins or Williams choose only one of the three following christian names ......." Never know, will we.

Did she lie about her age!!:)))

Heather Did you ask for a reference check? Lou

You guys on here are so great, helping like this. I too tried EVERY Ellen aged 29 born Berkshire. This is a real spaceship job, isnt it. I am giving up on them til I get the sacred certificate in 2 weeks time. Lets hope it shows the father as Thomas and mum as Ellen or I shall scream! Thanks again. Will let you know the outcome. Mind you by then, you would have forgotten all this!

Jim, I think it's meant to be Longcott. I tried that too :)

Yes, thats been the problem. What surname would he be. I have tried trawling the 1891 for EVERY Thomas aged 1 born in London, would you believe, in the hope Id find an Ellen (dont know the maiden name) in the same household. Why I tried to look for Jenkins is that although the father is shown single in barracks, it was forbidden for them to marry before 30 (he is 29). It was a long shot that he may be married her secretly. Its only in the 1901 he becomes a Jenkins. So I have now sent for what I believe is his sister's cert.

Have decided to blow another £7 on a possible birth cert. Despatch date another 2 weeks. Many thanks guys.

Fraid not, no birth cert for him, only details on the 1901 - also likely he was not under the name Jenkins if they werent married. Sorry, that isnt him, the father was Thomas a soldier. Oh, Im giving up. Many thanks everyone.

You can have this one if you want.... it nearly fits lol Jenkins, Ellen 33 Buckingham, Buckinghamshire Wife Bethnal Green London Jenkins, Ellen 5 Bethnal Green, London Daughter Bethnal Green London Jenkins, Thomas 1 Bethnal Green, London Son Bethnal Green London Jenkins, William 36 Whitechapel, London Head Bethnal Green London

dont know if this is any help Found on Ancestry William Jenkins head age 36 Occ blacksmith ellen Jenkins Wife age 33 Ellen Jemkins Dau age 5 thomas Jenlins age 1 Living at 10 Purderson Rd? name hard to read Bethnal Green Ecclesistical parish St Jude Julie

Heather, Have you been able to obtain Thomas's (the younger) birth certificate? That will tell you his mothers maiden name. Perhaps then you can look for her in the 1891 census to see if she was unmarried.

Can anyone work out where Thomas Jenkins born 1890 in Clerkenwell London is please? I certainly cant find the little devil. On census 1901 for southwark, mother Ellen, born 1862 Berkshire, father Thomas Jenkins born Herefordshire. Pretty sure they werent married at the time of his birth as Thomas is shown as a soldier in barracks aged 29 in 1891. I believe they were not allowed to marry til 30 at that time.