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If so, please read on - been struggling with this side of family but keep on hitting brick walls! I have them on the 1891 census but trail get confusing and goes cold! This is the info I have. 1891 - Living in the parish of St Pancras WILLIAM KING 37 ELIZABETH KING 28 IRENE E KING 11mnths I know the couple went on to have Stanley (1892) and Ida (1894). William then died and Elizabeth went on to marry Edmund Young and had the first of 4 children in 1896. They lived in Hackney. On the 1901 census, Elizabeth had changed her name to Esther, which is making her even hard to trace! William was born in the USA but census doesnt give which state, again making it very difficult. He worked as a hernia specialist on Harley St and was one of a very small number of black doctors at this time, can't imagine there would have been many who married white women either. Is there any way to track this info??? Please Please help - thank you, Juliana x

It's unclear what you are looking for. Are you trying to find them before 1891 or after 1901? If you order the marriage certificate you will find his father's name and occupation. Might help you to find him in the US. Crista

I'd be trying to find the King family before 1891 - Im waiting for the birth cert but its taking ages to come! x

there are 3 william Kings in 1881 William King abt 1845 America Brother in Law Bethnal Green William King abt 1878 (For), America Grandson Wellingham William King abt 1852 San Francisco, America Head Birmingham

your a star karen! thank you - where did u find the info?? juliana x

it is from ancestry 1881 census. If you think any are yours I can send you more info.

yes please Karen - not sure if they are but ill look into them! juliana x

Record information Original image What to do next? Name: William King Age in 1881: 29 Age months: 0 Estimated birth year: abt 1852 Relationship to head-of-household: Head Household: View other family members Family and neighbors: View neighbors Gender: Male Where born: San Francisco, America Address: 113 Buckingham St Civil parish: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire Condition as to marriage: Married Occupation: Gun Maker Education: View Image Employment status: View Image Source information: RG11/2992 Registration district: Birmingham Sub-registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Folio: 41 Page: 25

he is a gun maker with the wrong wife & wrong location Annie King abt 1861 London, Middlesex, England Daughter Birmingham Harry King abt 1865 Paris (B S) Son Birmingham Jane King abt 1844 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Wife Birmingham William King abt 1852 San Francisco, America Head Birmingham

not sure what a cutter is......but no doctor Record information Original image What to do next? Name: William King Age in 1881: 36 Age months: 0 Estimated birth year: abt 1845 Relationship to head-of-household: Brother in Law Household: View other family members Family and neighbors: View neighbors Gender: Male Where born: America Address: 23 Burnside St Civil parish: Bethnal Green County/Island: London Condition as to marriage: Unknown Occupation: Cutter Education: View Image Employment status: View Image Source information: RG11/0418 Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green ED, institution, or vessel: 8a Folio: 85 Page: 19

Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Residence View Image Charles King abt 1843 Atton, Hampshire, England Head Bethnal Green Mary King abt 1849 America Wife Bethnal Green William King abt 1845 America Brother in Law Bethnal Green

And this one is only 3...... Record information Original image What to do next? Name: William King Age in 1881: 3 Age months: 0 Estimated birth year: abt 1878 Relationship to head-of-household: Grandson Household: View other family members Family and neighbors: View neighbors Gender: Male Where born: (For), America Address: Litteshall Rd Civil parish: Wellingham County/Island: Norfolk Condition as to marriage: Unknown Occupation: Scholar Education: View Image Employment status: View Image Source information: RG11/1981 Registration district: Mitford Sub-registration district: Litcham ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Folio: 105 Page: 15

None of them are your sorry.......when did he go to England?? Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Residence View Image Elizabeth Harper abt 1818 Syderstone, Norfolk, England Wife Wellingham George Harper abt 1858 Wellingham, Norfolk, England Son Wellingham James Harper abt 1824 Wellingham, Norfolk, England Head Wellingham William King abt 1878 (For), America Grandson Wellingham

Thank you for all your help - you really have been a star - not sure when he came to England and don't really know where to start when looking for ships etc as i dont know where he would have embarked or when. A wee bit stuck, if he's not on the 1881 census - imagine he must have come over between then and 1890 when his daugher Irene was born! Dont know where to even start!!! Juliana x

Have you looked at the US 1880 census on Family Search? Crista

the problem is there are so many william king born around that time and i havent a clue about what state he may have come from, but i guess thats the best (only) bet really! x

Hi Juliane The only thing I can suggest at the moment is to get Irene's birth certificate. She is listed on free bmd as Irene Esther born Sept quarter 1890 at Pancras 1b 58. This will give you her mothers maiden name and you can use free bmd to see when her parents got married. I would suspect about 1888 or 1889. Getting the marriage certificate would give an address and maybe you could get a bit more info that could help you. You would at least find out William Kings father's name and occupation which may help in the 1880 USA census. I have also checked the 1881 UK census and can only find the ones already given to you so would imagine he was not in UK in 1881. If you have anymore info, post it and we may be able to help a little more. Best wishes and good luck Karen