Genealogy Chat

Hi Pat, Just got back from an afternoon's shopping with the kids - utter chaos!!! I am sure you are right and they probably didn't get married on the boat, just another tall story....LOL!! I have checked 1837 online but with names like John and Mary Moore and no idea of Mary's maiden name it is a bit tricky!!! Anyway, thanks for your thoughts and Happy New Year to you. Wendy x Helen, I will check Irish Origins and National Archives - you never know!! Thank you and Happy New Year. Wendy x

Hi.....just thought on about this subject, there are some passenger records on Irish Origins Ireland to England, and some bmd at sea on the national archivist site but don't know how many...Helen

Janet A Very Happy New Year To You Too. Wendy I find it difficult to believe that a couple travelling on the boat to England would be married by the Captain, it's such a short route, also the majority of the Irish leaving Ireland would be Catholics, so a civil service would only be seen as partial, i.e. in tandem with a Church Service in ireland or England. But obviously I am open to correction on this. I actually find some of the older generation of Irish can tell some colourful stories. Have you tried 1837on line? if you have had no luck there you could ask Theresa in Cork for advice, on Irish records, especially the Cork area. Good Luck Pat x

Hi Janet, Thanks anyway.......I will have a look next time I can get to the FRC, but I'm not hopeful - I think this pair are determined to remain elusive!! Best Wishes and Happy New Year Wendy x

Pat Phew!! Happy New Year to you. Wendy In view of the hole I was digging myself earlier, I am not sure I can give you an answer to this one. I am tempted to say that you could try the overseas/onboard lists of marriages which are at the FRC, but Ireland was not really overseas if you get my meaning! I will have to pass on this one but would like to wish you a very Happy New Year. Janet

Adding to the Irish theme......... my gg grandparents came over here from Cork in about 1902/03 and the family rumour is that they got married on the boat!!! Is there anyway this could be verified? Wendy x

Janet LOL Well Done. Pat x

Pat Ireland part of the British Isles today? Geographically I suppose this is technically correct because of its geographic position. However most of my Irish friends/cousins would choke on being known as part of the British Isles! I think they like to consider themselves as the Island next to Great Britain! I suppose I should have put it clearer. Politically speaking the Irish Free State was set up in 1921 as a self governing British Dominion, excluding the six North Eastern Counties. In 1949 they declared themselves the Republic of Ireland and left the Commonwealth to govern themselves entirely. Yes there has always been special ties in the way that Pat has suggested that we do not need passports to go to Ireland. There is no immigration either before or after 1921. I hope I have made myself clearer, Pat, and not dug a deeper hole? Janet

Janet not meaning to to be rude to you, I would not want to do that, as I think you are exceptionally knowledgeable in this area, but I think you meant Ireland was part of Britain and it's Empire prior to 1921. Ireland is still in the British Isles today, that cannot change. Neville There has always been a special relationship between Ireland and the rest of the British Isles (England, Scotland & Wales) even after Irish Independence, which means passports are not needed and lists were not kept, you just hop on and off the Boat, at any port. Up to the present day there is no passenger lists between Ireland and the rest of the British Isles. Pat x

Neville Prior to 1921 Irish people were not emmigrants to England or anywhere else in the British Isles as Ireland was part of the British Isles. There are passenger lists from Ireland to America/Canada/Australia/NZ to name just a few places. Many people from Ireland came first to the UK and stayed for a few weeks, months, years, forever but some realised that the UK was not a pot of gold either, they then moved on to other destinations all over the world if they could afford to. Passenger lists do exist but are very hit and miss unless you know the exact ship and place they left Ireland and the date. Looking for a John O'Neil emigrating to the United States or UK some time in the 1880's from Ireland can be a little difficult, as there are hundreds of the same name. So it will depend when you are looking and what name you are looking for. You could also google the Museum in Kerry. There are many museums like this all over Ireland now. Waterford(New Ross) and Cobh to name another couple. Famine museums are all over Ireland and the museum just outside Rosslare are also worth looking into. This latter one has a genealogy section attached to it. Try the following: http(://)scripts(.)ireland(.)co(/)ancestor(/)browse(/)links(/)passdate1850-59(.)htm Despite the 1850-1859, these lists do go beyond that date to 1900 but they are mainly passengers going from Ireland all over world or from UK all over the world. But you never know, so worth looking at. Remove brackets. Janet

Neville I don't believe any passenger lists exist for sailings between Ireland and England. Sorry Christine

Would anyone be aware of a sight that may contain lists of passengers (around 1880's) who emmigrated from Ireland to England? I know there is a maritime museum around Kerry which I stumbled upon a few years ago, however, I cannot recall it they would be mainly concerned with crossings to U.S.A. As my ancestors may have been from Galway, I think that they will have taken a different route. Thanks in advance to everyone who may be able to help. All best.