Genealogy Chat

Do you know, fellow anoraks, I bless the day I joined this site. So many terrific people willing to help and give new insight to a problem. A lady on here just sent me a message that she believed that Pease was actually Pearce - do you know what now I have studied the image again, I think she may be right. What would I do without all you great people.

Thanks Brenda Bit of a mystery. James is in quite a good profession - cabinet carver and I wonder why he would get involved with a girl of 16 (if she was mother of eldest child). Beginning to think perhaps it is a case of the au pair jumping into the wife's shoes. I shall have to try and find a Mrs Hanson dying sometime before the 1881. In the 1871 Phoebe is down as Pease in the 1881 down as wife.

I think you've got to bit the bullet and buy that birth certificate. Without it, you have no proof that Phoebe was James Robert's mother. It will also give you an address that the family may have been living at in 1861. Is Phoebe using the surname Hanson in 1871? If not, and the children are, she is probably not their mother. Good luck Brenda

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Geoff, sorry, they appear under a mistranscription as Hawson in the 1881 - I didnt know you were looking them up: Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability James Wm. HAWSON Head M Male 50 Shadwell, Middlesex, England Mkr Cabinet Carver Phobe HAWSON Wife M Female 38 Whitechapel, Middlesex, England James Rt. HAWSON Son U Male 21 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Wood Turner Daniel HAWSON Son U Male 14 Newington, Surrey, England Telegraph Boy (Serv) Source Information: Dwelling 38 Kinglake St Census Place Newington, Surrey, England Family History Library Film 1341123 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0543 / 42 Page Number 6

She is claiming to be the wife in 1881. I guess the only thing I can do is look for an earlier marriage for James (though nothing has come up yet) and possibly a death for a Mrs James Hanson and try to get a birth cert for my Great Grandad, who is the James Robert in the household in 1871. What tangled webs they weaved.

As I said, the only Phoebe of the right age is married to Thomas, not James!

Thanks Geoff. No, it is a strange one isnt it. Though I had another lot who didnt marry until 17 years after first child. I wonder if James was married previously and the "au pair" stepped into her shoes?

Heather - the only Phoebe Hanson 38 I can find on 1881 census (LDS or Ancestry) is married to Thomas. I find it hard to believe that Phoebe was living with James Hanson for 12 years, had 5 or 6 kids with him by 1871, but never took his name in that time (whether married or not). I DO notice however that there is a 6 year old called Phoebe. Having said that, it's quite possible that James' wife was visiting her mother (or anyone else) in 1871. James is not noted as a widower.

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Ive come to a brick wall with most of my lines now - feeling irritable about it!! Can anyone help find a birth of Phoebe Pease Bethnal Green 1843 please. And a marriage between Phoebe Pease and James Hanson probably 1859 though may be 1871-1881. Phoebe appears on the 1871 aged 2 (!,transcripters strike again) birth place Bethural Green (and again) and listed as housekeeper to James Hanson and a number of Hanson kids. On the 1881 she appears aged 38 and as wife of James Hanson. I cant find her on ancestry before 1871 and cant find their marriage, though I find a Phoebe Hanson dying Islington aged 56 in 1899, which would appear to tie in with her. I am supposing all the kids are hers which means she must have had the first one when she was 16 or 17! He is 11 years older. Any help to open a new way forward on my tree gratefully received.