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Welsh name geographical quiz

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Barry

Barry Report 30 Nov 2004 02:09

I wonder if any native Wesh speakers and or persons with Shrops/N.Wales geographical knowledge can help me decipher a place name please. My 4g grandmother Mary CHALLENOR is recorded as being 'of ___ybrennin' in the 1816 parish record (pg 80 entry No. 635) of the baptism of my 3 g grandfather (Richard CHALLENOR) at St Oswalds in Oswestry, Shrops. When I visted Shrewsbury archives I was unable to read the first part of the place name. I presume this is cognate with ___ y-brenin. How many place names fit this format and where are they? What does y-brenin mean? Many thanks Barry Brisbane Australia

Crista

Crista Report 30 Nov 2004 02:19

Barry, There's Gwern y Brenin just south of Oswestry. Crista

Barry

Barry Report 30 Nov 2004 02:56

Well spotted Crista. And its only c. 3 miles from Babbinswood where the father came from, so it seems to make sense. He was a farmer and Mary was a servant. Richard the child took his mother's surname, so I presume the birth was out of wedlock. Many thanks Barry

Janice

Janice Report 30 Nov 2004 08:14

Hi Barry, "y" is "the" and "brenin" is "king". Gwern is meadow so the translation is probably something along the lines of King's meadow. (I'm not a Welsh speaker but learnt it at school) Janice