Genealogy Chat

Many many thanks guys, what a terrific bunch you are. Lodging House Nell? Could be I suppose. I cant imagine them having houses big enough then, can you - but he is in a skilled profession so perhaps they did have. Sorry the Mary Gorden is a married girl with a husband and child (boarding) Cazza. That list of Gordons was interesting though Trish, does sound like her lot, doesnt it. Charlie out of prison and in the army by then, eh? I noticed when Mary Ellen did marry (1894)her first child was born in Egremont, which is apparently Cumberland and I did find a group of Gordons there who may also be related as they were from Ireland. Maybe she was living with them in 1881. Thanks so much for your time and effort everyone. I am really always so pleased for everyones input, sometimes others see something which is staring me in the face but I dont notice. One thing I dont understand on ancestry is if you are looking for someone in a particular census and you enter the info even on the best matches tab, they dont come up. If you do a blanket request up they come in the right census. Why is that. I wonder how many people have thought their ancestors are missing on particular census because they have done it they way.

I entered as Mary Gordon with birth year as 1875 on this site **** http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp **** and noted this Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Charles GORDON Head M Male 45 Ireland Carpenter Jane GORDON Wife M Female 34 Ireland (Lh) Hugh GORDON Son Male 14 Liverpool Errand Boy William GORDON Son Male 12 Liverpool Errand Boy Jane GORDON Daughter U Female 19 Ireland Servant Charlie GORDON Son Male 9 Liverpool Scholar Mary Ellen GORDON Daughter Female 6 Liverpool Scholar Kathaline MCNALLER Boarder U Female 20 Liverpool Servant Patrick DUFFEY Boarder U Male 24 Ireland Labourer At Docks Daniel MCEWEN Boarder U Male 24 Liverpool Labourer At Docks Richard BICKLEY Boarder U Male 22 Chester, Cheshire, England Railway Servant The question now arises was the Mary you are looking for just a student?

There is an 18 year old Mary E. GORDEN on the 1891 census Name: Gorden, Mary E Age in 1891: 18 Relation: Boarder Gender: Female Where Born: Liverpool, Lancashire Civil parish: West Derby Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude County: Lancashire RG12/2988 Registration district: West Derby Sub registration district: West Derby (Municipal) ED, institution, or vessel: 6a Folio: 40 Page: 13 Could this be her, ages often being inaccurate on the census? Cazza

I've just looked at the 1881 on familysearch. I see there are some boarders in the household. I'm wondering if Lh is a partial transcription of "Lodging-house [keeper]" - ie she ran a B&B. You'd need to check the original form to see if the k for keeper has been left off/scrawled over etc. nell

Hi I have not found anything on Mary Ellen but I found this in the 1901 census and think they may be part of her family. Not a great help but maybe interesting. Trish National Archives Reference Schedule Number RG Number, Series Piece Folio Page RG13 3458 130 1 4 Address 11 Orlanda St Civil Parish Rural District Bootle Cum Linacre Town or Village or Hamlet Parliamentary Borough or Division Bootle South West Lancs Ecclesiastical Parish Administrative County St Johns Lancashire County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Ward of Municipal Borough or Urban District Hughe Gordon Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Boarder M 34 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Marine Fireman Seas At Home Lane Liverpool Language Infirmity Mary Gordon Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Wife M 29 F Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Undefined Ireland Lancashire Language Infirmity William Gordon Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Son S 9 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Dock Undefined Lanc Liverpool Language Infirmity William Gordon Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Brother M 32 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Worker Lanc Liverpool Language Infirmity Charles Gordon Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Brother S 28 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Soldier Army Lanc Liverpool Language Infirmity Jinsi Clements Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Sister M 31 F Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Undefined Lanc Liverpool Language Infirmity William Jephton Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Brother In Law M 35 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Coal Carter Carm Worker Lanc Liverpool Language Infirmity Catherine Jephton Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Sister In Law M 22 F Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Undefined Lanc Liverpool Language Infirmity Frances Richard Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Brother In Law M 31 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Fireman Worker Ireland Language Infirmity Samuel Woods Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Visitor M 33 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Dock Labourer Worker Lancs Liverpool Language Infirmity Elizabeth Woods Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Visitor M 29 F Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Undefined Lancs Liverpool Language Infirmity Annie Wake Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Visitor 29 F Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Undefined Lancs Liverpool Language Infirmity John Hughes Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex Visitor W 36 M Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Dock Labourer Worker Lancs Liverpool Language Infirmity

heather I didn't know you could get original 1881 images online - where from? nell

Yes, in space I should think along with Jonas Horstead born Shadwell 1848 died Greenwich 1913 - who I have spent the last two hours looking for when I could be sleeping! 5 hours sleep now if Im lucky.

Sorry , not too bright tonight ..... thought I was being clever too.. Do you know if she did marry though - could that be why you can't find her? Or is she in the space ship with my rellies? Maybe in her case LH could mean 'left home?' !! Raining here too.... Alice

Alice, thanks, but I saw that one and Gorden is her married name - she appears to be with a husband and child, doesnt she. My Mary Ellen Gordon is about 16 and unmarried. Thanks for trying though. Windy tonight, eh? Nell, its on the 1881 so no image, just a printed (Lh).

Hi Heather This can't really be her - she popped up too easily! Gorden, John 25 Liverpool, Lancashire Boarder West Derby Lancashire Gorden, John 2 Liverpool, Lancashire Boarder Son West Derby Lancashire Gorden, Mary E 18 Liverpool, Lancashire Boarder West Derby Lancashire Have saved you image just in case. Alice (Just along the road in Norwich).

A laundry helper maybe ?

Heather, Light Housework. Well it is an occupation, isn't it????? Will wrack what bit of brain I have left. : -) Ann

Heather Without seeing the original it is impossible to guess what Lh means, it might even be two different letters altogether. As for prison, apparently 24,000 people were in prison on census night 1861 and in 1849 over 166,000 people spent some time in prison. It was probably comfier than the workhouse! nell

Just looking at my husbands Great Grandparents on the 1881 census in Liverpool. They were from Ireland. The husband is shown as a joiner/carpenter but next to the wife under occupation is (Lh). What do you think this means - thought of left-handed but decided that wouldnt be an occupation! Ideas gratefully received! Oh and if anyone cant sleep tonight - I have been trawling the 1891 census for Mary Ellen Gordon in Liverpool born 1875 - she is about 16 and not with her family so I wondered if she is in service (though I found her 19 year old bro in prison for that census!!). Tried all the Mary Gordons/Gordans (she is not the Gordan in Toxteth). Tried Mary Cordon. Many thanks guys, you are an inspiration!