Genealogy Chat

Thanks Geoff, You know the difference, now I know the difference, I'm just hoping that the vicar who wrote out the marriage certificate might not have known the difference :-)

A detail difference in what Gary said I'm afraid Brazier is a worker in brass; Brazer is someone who joins things together using brass (or similar metal) to join them.

Thanks Gary, I'm getting a very good feeling about all this now.

A brazier would work with tin or steel as brazing is a way of welding metals together,using brass as a form of hot glue, not normally joining brass to brass.

Oops Helen, you didn't read it wrong, I wrote it wrong - nephew George was 85 in 1915. I'll amend my original message:-) I think I'll still have to look for his birth to see if details of his dad match but of course it will have to be in parish records as its pre 1837. I don't think mum was Sarah as he was born about 9 years before her mariage. Hope you're right about the occupation. I had to look brazier up to see what it meant so I suppose they could have been confused about its meaning too.

Judith Correct me if I read this wrongly, but you are saying Sarah had Charlotte in 1840 and George jnr would be born 1840 if he is to be 75 in 1915? Have you got their birth refs - the only way to prove the relationship is to see George Judkins' birth cert with Sarah formerly Manley as his mother. I don't know how specialised metal workers were, maybe the registrar was confused and thought brazier was any metal-worker. Helen

My Gt Gt Grandfather John Manley was born in St Lukes Middlesex in 1820, son of George and Charlotte Manley. He had a sister Sarah born 1813. George’s occupation is given as worker in tin on their baptism records and on John’s marriage certificate. I have a photo of John with his nephew George Judkins taken in 1915 when they were 95 and 85 respectively but have never known how the nephew fits into the family. I am now in contact with someone who has found a marriage between Sarah Manley (spinster, father’s name George Manley) and George Judkins, widower, in Hackney in 1839 and birth of their daughter Charlotte in 1840. I hope all this means that nephew George was the son of George Judkins senior’s first marriage and that this Sarah is my Gt Gt Grandfather’s sister BUT….. On Sarah’s marriage certificate her father’s occupation is brazier. Could a tin worker also work with brass. Or could Sarah have just got confused, knew dad worked with some sort of metal, or is this all just a huge coincidence????? Judith

Any ideas on this one?