Genealogy Chat

Richard.. I think we have got our lines crossed. Abraham Absalom b.1795 was married to Elizabeth Gillett.b 1806 James and Phebe are the parents to Abraham Absalom. There is a marriage for a The first search you did of James Absolam and a Phebe Clay 28 MAY 1776 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire on IGI. Looks very promising. Tralena

Thank for your help. I have noted it down and will contine my search on your information...Hopefully something will turn up to confirm if they are my family. Love Tralena

Actually looks quite promising. If you enter just Abraham Absalom and Pheobe and search for children in the IGI these come up Sarah 1783 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire Henry 1785 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire William 1788 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire John 1792 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire Abraham 1796 Putney, London I'd say they moved to London between 1792-6 and it is same family.

There is a marriage for a James Absolam and a Phebe Clay 28 MAY 1776 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire on IGI. Not London, but they could well have moved this was exactly the period, early industrial revolution, when people were leaving the countryside for the cities in droves.

I think I misunderstood the differences between the Parish Records and the Certificates. (thats a learner for you)lol Thank you for putting me straight. I'll continue my search...wish me luck and like Pete says 'thank God the name isn't SMITH regards Tralena

You will not get a certificate, even if the church has the records.......you can only expect, at best, a photocopy of the entry in the parish record. As explained previously, certification only came into force in late 1837 Reg

You have identifed the great stumbling block in tracing back before 1837. Mother's maiden name is likely only to be found in the relevant marriage entry. In this case is should be straightforward to find a marriage between james Absalom and Phebe ? sometime before 1796. You can narrow the search by checking tfor siblings dates of baptism. Be thanksful he wasn't James SMITH!

Hi Pete in Wiltshire Thank you for the info and doing the search, I did already have the parents names as shown in your reply. What worries me is not being able to get the Mothers maiden and marriage details if they are not recorded on websites. Any ideas please Love Tralena

A marriage entry in 1833 is likely to provide you with few clues. The most widely used format is Name of groom, Bachelor or widowed, age (often just of age ie over 21), residence - otp = of this parish. But all that means is that when he wed he was living in the parish. Don't forget that the marriage may have banns or licence which could give you additional clues. By far the best clue is his place of birth according to the 1851 census. Putney Surrey and his age. Incidentally, always check the IGI, particularly with unusual names, sometimes you get lucky! ABRAHAM ABSALOM Male Event(s): Birth: 02 APR 1796 Christening: 29 MAY 1796 Putney, London, England Parents: Father: JAMES ABSALOM Mother: PHOEBE

Thank you everyone. I have just e-mailed St, Ann's church in Soho about the marriage...hopefully it will be a possitive response and I can order the certificate form them. I thought I was doing very well (as a first timer) but now I've read the information from Google, I'm confused. How will I progress if the records dont include the parents names. How do other Genies get back beyond 1600's. Tralena

Ive found small villages will sometimes include more detail but not the London records - exceptions being the Rotherhithe vicars who spend quite a lot of time expanding on details like occupations!

I'm not certain what is the norm, but none of the ones I've looked up have had father's names on them. Found this on Google:- What are Parish Records? Parish Records are records of baptisms, marriages, and burials made by the Church. They are a valuable resource for researching your family tree because the census and official records of birth, marriage and death do not go back further than 1837. Parish records can extend your research back to the time of King Henry VIII. How can Parish Records help me with my research? These records can help you trace your family roots back through baptisms, marriages, and burials. Most parish records go back to the 1600s, and some even go back to the 1500s. How do I know which records to search for? You will need to know where your ancestor lived, and the church they went to - Parishes correspond quite closely to villages of the same name. Whereas a rural parish may include a small village and two or three hamlets, there will be many parishes in the city, so you would need to determine in which your family lived. What information can I expect to find on these records? On baptism records, you may only find the name. You may also find that on some records, the father's name and the mother's name has also been recorded. It is extremely unlikely that you will find a mother's maiden name on a baptism records, as this is very rare. On burial records, you should be able to find the name and, especially for children, the father's name. They also may note the age of the deceased. Marriage records contain the name of the bride and groom, the Parish where they were married and sometimes details of the brides parish. The level of detail changes depending on the year. Kath. x

Hi kathleen Thank you for the information. Do you know if the parish record for the marriage shows their fathers details. Regards Tralena

Civil registration didn't start until July 1837, so there won't be a marriage certificate. The best you can hope for is a copy of the parish record for the marriage which should be at the appropriate County Record Office. Kath. x

Hi Genies. Abraham Absalom and Elizabeth Sarah Gillett (hopefully I'm on the right tracks). I would like to order their certificate but I cant find the Vol. or Page No, They were married on 15th September 1833 at St, Anns Soho Westminster. Any help you can give me is much appreciated. Tralena.