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Hi, Wonder if anyone can give any help or advice. I have traced my grt grt Grandad,William Henry Martin ,born 1848, back to 1871,when he is living with his married sister Maria E Welford & her husband.I have his M/C dated 28/11/1875,married in the parish of Shoreditch to Sarah Starr.He is aged 27 & living in 4 New St.His trade is 'packer'. Witnesses are William Cleland & Ann Everett. His father is recorded as Edward Martin,Hawker.I have been unable to trace him in either the 1861 census or the 1851 census.I have ordered every B/C for a William Martin,living anywhere in London, born in 1847-1848 (and there are a lot!),but none of them match up. I thought i had found his sister's,(Maria c1841), B/C so I could at least find out mother's name but that also proved to be an incorrect cert. In all census I can find him his birthplace is recorded as Bethnal Green.
Any advice gratefully received.
Regards
Coreen

Is this Maria's birth index?

Births Sep 1841
MARTIN Maria Bethnal Gn 2 41



& her marriage?
Marriages Jun 1860
KNELLER Ellen Allen Hackney 1b 502
...>>>Martin Maria Eliza Hackney 1b 502
TITCHINER William Hackney 1b 502
...>>>Welford William Henry Hackney 1b 502

There is an Edward and Elizabeth Martin on the 1851 census born bethnal green living St Luke Old Street Middlesex. Edward is described as a commercial traveller. Could this be wiilliams father?

Class: HO107; Piece: 1522; Folio: 167; Page: 22; GSU roll: 87856.

I thought about that Edward too, Loz. But I would have expected Maria & William with them as they were born in 1841 & 1848.

Ozi.

1871: For reference.

Name: William Martin
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 437 Bethnal Green Road

Occupation: Packing case maker

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Church
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 259
Household Members: Name Age
W H Welford 33 - packing case maker; Bucks
Maria E Welford 30
W H Welford 3
Rebecca Ceyres 30 - neice; Bucks
William Martin 23
John Hopkins 24 - lodger, packing case maker

He hasn't moved far in 1881.

Name: William Martin
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Bethnal Green
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 431 Bethnal Green Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Packing Case Maker

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Martin 33
Sarah Martin 23
Rachel Martin 6
William Martin 4
Sarah Martin 2
Edwin Martin


Considering his youngest son's name, I wonder if his father was an Edwin rather than an Edward?

Ozi.

Hi, Thanks for your help everyone. Ozibird - no that's the one I thought was my Maria & i ordered the B/C hoping I could find mothers maiden name but it was another Maria - no connection. Loz I did check that but cannot be sure as no Maria or William there. I did look at an Edw & Elizh Martin in 1841 census because they have a Maria of abt the right age but I dismissed this because there is also a William born abt 1836 & my William was not born until 1848 (unless no.1 William died?).Edw is recorded as a 'Lighterman'. I found them again in 1851 but no William so don't think it's my Martin's. It's so frustrating when you hit a brickwall like this but will keep plugging away & hopefully something will turn up.
Regards
Coreen