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Hi, I'm having little joy in tracing the history of my Gt Gt Grandfather Joseph Sayce, has anyone any ideas how I can find out any further details? We know from the 1901 census that he was 39 so born c1862 and he died 11/08/1935 he married Mary Brown who was born c1867 and died 26/12/1943 . From the census he was born in Ludlow, Shrops but by 1901 was living at 166 Commonside, Pensnett, B'Hill Staffordshire. Family legend suggests that his father left him in Pensnett when he was a youngster with his sister as the family was so poor then went back to Ludlow to enter the workhouse. We dont know who he was left with and so far cannnot find any details for him from BMD. If anyone has any suggestions as where to try next would be gratefully received!!

Many Thanks

Lisa

can't you get his marriage certificate, that would have his dad's name?

1901 is this the right family?

Name: Joseph Sayce
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Ludlow, Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: Kingswinford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
Town: Pensnett
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Stourbridge
Sub-registration district: Kingswinford
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 162
Household Members: Name Age
James Brown 26
Annie Morris 2 months
Ethel Sayce 2
James Sayce 4
John Sayce 9
Joseph Sayce 39
Joseph Sayce 11 Pensnett
Mary Sayce 33 Round Oak
Mary Sayce 13 Pensnett

Have you traced on any earlier census?

Maureen

found this, don't know if it's useful

Name: Joseph Sayce
Year of Registration: 1863
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Wolverhampton
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands
Volume: 6b
Page: 490 (click to see others on page)

Could this be the marriage? Josephs name has been mistranscribed:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1886 (97%)
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>>>>>BROWN Mary Dudley 6c 59
HUGHES Isaac Dudley 6c 59
Jevons Elizabeth Oakley Dudley 6c 59
>>>>>SAYES Joseph Dudley 6c 59

1871 census maybe

Joseph Sayce
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Richard
Mother's Name: Caroline
Gender: Male
Where born: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Wolverhampton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 83
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Sayce 13
Caroline Sayce 41
Joseph Sayce 8
Peter Sayce 4
Richard Sayce 43
William Sayce 6

I have a ancestor wh was "adopted" by a family when young and took there surname, so maybe sayce isn't his actual real surname, maybe it's his aunties husbands name, but that is just a suggestion.

Hi Daniel

The only trouble is I know that he came from Ludlow and not Wolverhampton!! So I am unsure if this would be the correct person

Many thanks for looking though

Lisa

This is the right one!! Just can't find previous info for him, can trace Mary Brown easier than I thought!

Why oh why can't this be easy? How many variations of a name can there be? I thought Sayce would be easy as it is unusual! Thanks for your help though it has given me a few options of variations that I had not thought of!

Many Many Thanks to you all

Hi Lisa -found Joseph Sayse birth registered Dec Quarter Ludlow 1861on Free BMD I clicked on phonetic spelling to get most results -I would think this is him and if you got the certificate it will give you his parents names- Heather

More details which might help -From Free bmd a Robert John Sayse was born in Ludlow reg Jun quarter 1859 Joseph's brother? Robert was living with parents in 1861 census in Shrops but you would have to look up the census as I havn't got access.Also on free bmd Joseph Sayes Married Mary Brown Sep Quarter 1886 Dudley Hope this helps Heather

Hi Heather, that info is great, its more than I had to go on earlier we thought it would be no! Which do you think is best to get Josephs marriage or birth certficate to prove he is the right one?

thanks

Lisa

Which gives the best info marriage or birth certificates?

Lisa-Glad the info helped -you should really get both certs as each give differing info-It also depends on what other details you have and then cross check with census records to be sure Heather