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hi there,

i am trying to find any siblings of my great greandfather Frederick James Fagan brn 1900 in guildford. On the free BMD i have found one probable brother Albert C.V Fagan brn 1903 in guildford( who my father remembers and i have an address for). after that there are no other fagan births in guildford on there.

i know fred was the first child of James G Fagan and Rosina Avenell/Avenall/ Avenill.from my great grandmothers address book i have a few possible siblings for him including Rosa,Earnest and derreck.

if some kind soul has ancestry wondered if it would be possible to see if they may be on there as i know the free bmd is incomplete.

i do not know if this is even possible as i can't track the family after 1901 census so they may have moved.

thanks for reading!
Leanne

When did they get married?

Best Wishes

Jane

Hi i Had a look on ancestry
The only 2 ernest i can find are these

Ernest Edward Fagan 1910 Jan-Feb-Mar Islington Greater London, London, Middlesex
or
Ernest John Fagan 1906 Jan-Feb-Mar Leicester (1837-1974) Leicestershire
I dont know if this is any help
Tracy

Is this them in 1901

1901 England Census
about Fred J Fagan
Name: Fred J Fagan
Age: 11 months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James G
Mother's Name: Robina
Gender: Male
Where born: Pirbright, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Woking
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

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Registration district: Guildford
Sub-registration district: Woking
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 240
Household Members: Name Age
Fred J Fagan 11 months
James G Fagan 28
Robina Fagan 22


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This looks more like Jame's sister, not daughter, although I note he was born in 1873 in Exeter.


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FAGAN Rosa Emily Camberwell.1d 909 4 1880



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This could be him in 1881

1881 England Census
about James F. Fagan
Name: James F. Fagan
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Adam
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Exeter, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Exeter Alphington
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street address: Matford Cottage
Education:

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Registration district: St Thomas
Sub-registration district: Alphington
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Adam Fagan 44
Albert Adam Fagan
James F. Fagan 7
Jane Fagan 32
John Andrew Fagan 5
William A. Fagan 3

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1891 England Census
about James Fagan
Name: James Fagan
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Adam
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Exeter, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Kingston
Ecclesiastical parish: Evan St John
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

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Registration district: Kingston
Sub-registration district: Kingston
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Adam Fagan 55
Albert Fagan 15
Charlie Fagan 1
James Fagan 18
Jane Fagan 42
Jane Fagan 4
John Fagan 15


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Victoria they were married on april 7th 1900 in pirbright,surrey. i have their marriage cert. i think they may have moved from there after 1903 as i could find no more fagan births in guildford after then as moody blue found.

the rosa is in the address book of fred's wife so could be his aunt. but if she was born 1880, wouldn't she be with the family in 81 census? perhaps she was a cousin or some other relative. would you possibly be able to look for her in 81/91 census please?

thank you all so much for your replies, my computer was playing up last night, hence the no reply. thank you all so much!

Hi Leanne,

Retraced my steps, Rosa Emily 1880 dies in 1880 so not on any census.

Best Wishes

Jane

thank you. after speaking to my grandmother looks like Rosa could have married into the fagan's later on anyway. but knowing my gran that will have changed again by next week!
thanks leanne

leanne,


just a correction .................. for Septemebr 1837 to about 1910, freebmd is more up to date than ancestry, as ancestry takes its bmds for those years from freebmd.

Freebmd now has records upto as late as 1925, as the volunteers slowl catch up with the transcribing.


What you get on ancestry that is better than freebmd is the Compelte Index to bmds from 1837 to ca 2005 (or even 2006)........ which have to be searched quarter by quarter year by year!


Sylvia

o right. thank you sylvia, i didn't know that. ok well back to the trawling.

thanks again
leanne

thank you so much for being patient. as i said my computer is really playing up. am using a friends now. all the siblings mentioned above i have, but none of their marriages or children. thank you very much. so the children of these siblings would be my great grandfather Fred's cousins. thank you all so much for your help! i will order some of the certs.

made my day. thank you so much
leanne