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Pauline - please do as requested and remove your email address from your post above! (Just go to that post and click edit - then delete the info)

There have been a lot of posts reported lately so don't join that list! :-)

Thanks for the info.

This is the 2nd recorded marriage for Robert and Mary. They had also been married the day before at Our Lady's RC Chapel, Lydiate. From what I can gather this wasn't unusual. Roman Catholics were allowed to marry in their own church, but for it to be legal they also had to marry in a COE.

Other children are:
Richard born at Altcar, 26 July 1833, baptised 28 July at Our Lady's RC Lydiate
Ann born at Aughton, 4 Oct 1835, baptised at St Mary's RC Chapel, Aughton the same day.
Helen born Aughton, 17 Dec 1837, baptised at St Mary's the same day d. March 1838.
Helen born Aughton, 21 Jan 1838, baptised at St Mary's the next day d. Sept 1844.
Mary born Melling 14 June 1841, baptised at St Mary's the next day.

I also believe that although Mary was listed as resident of Halsall, she was born in Altcar the illegitemate daughter of Isabella Stopforth (or Stopford as it was sometimes spelt).

Robert was one of six children born to Richard Swift and Ellen Alcock. Richard is buried in St Mary's RC Churchyard, Little Crosby.

Kind Regards and many thanks for the information.

John and Pauline.

Pauline - I imagine you have this already ...


Using http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/indexp.html

Marriage: 22 Apr 1833 St Peter and St Paul, Ormskirk, Lancashire, England
Robert Swift - (X), of Ormskirk
Mary Stopforth - (X), of Halsall
Witness: John Pye; George Wignall
Married by Banns by: Charles Forshaw Off:Minister
Register: Marriages 1827 - 1837, Page 112, Entry 336
Source: LDS Film 1849664
[There are 7 marrs in April and George Wignall is a witness on all of them.
There are 2 marrs on 22/4/1833, and John Pye is a witness on both.
George Wignall looks like a professional witness to me, but John Pye might know both couples, or just be borrowed by one couple.]


Using http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1844 SWIFT Robert Aughton Preston STOPFORTH A/2/28
1846 SWIFT Ellen Aughton Preston STOPFORTH A/2/78
1848 SWIFT Ann Aughton Preston STOPFORTH A/3/18
1851 SWIFT Robert Aughton Preston STOPFORTH A/3/81
1853 SWIFT Robert Aughton Preston STOPFORTH A/4/33
1855 SWIFT Robert Aughton Preston STOPFORTH A/4/75

Pauline/John,
Patricia may not be using the boards any more as the posting is more than 3 years old, and she does not appear to have replied.
You could try and reach her directly by clicking on her name and sending a message, and if genes has her current email address they can contact her.
(You are not meant to post your actual email address on here, so it would probably be best to delete it)
Have you looked in the Search trees above to see if anyone else shares the same ancestors?
Have you got Mary and Robert in your tree so others can contact you?

I cannot believe that I've not seen this connection before!

Robert Swift and Mary Stopforth are my g-g-g-grandparents.

I have managed to go back one more generation, but given the time span between your initial post and this reply, you may be even further back than me.

I researched the family at Preston several years ago and came up with 11 children many baptised at St Mary's Chapel, Aughton. Some of the children died very young and the names where repeated. My line descends via the surviving Ann Swift (who by chance married John Swift).

I'd love to share our information.

Kind Regards

John

From the 1881 census....free on familysearch.org

Household Record 1881 British Census

Search results | Download Previous Household Next Household


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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Robert SWIFT Head M Male 70 Ince Blundell, Lancashire, England Market Gardener
Mary SWIFT Wife M Female 70 Altcar, Lancashire, England Wife Of Above
William MOSS Grandson Male 12 Aughton, Lancashire, England Presser At Melling Powder Works
Thomas MASON Grandson Male 6 Ormskirk, Lancashire, England Scholar


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Source Information:
Dwelling Prescott Road
Census Place Aughton, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341896
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3744 / 64
Page Number 22

Joan

Well, here is the marriage...taken from the IGI on familysearch.org

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
British Isles
Search Results | Download

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ROBERT SWIFT Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
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Marriages:
Spouse: MARY STOPFORTH Family
Marriage: 22 APR 1833 Ormskirk, Lancashire, England



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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.


What would you like to know?...I could look for her in the censuses for instance....
Joan

From BVRI:
Robert Swift married Mary Stopforth 22 Apr.1833, Ormskirk, Lancashire.

Pat
Can you give us the date again please. Joan

anyone got any info on a mary stopforth? she was born in lancashire andmarried robert swift about 180?
pat