Genealogy Chat

Please help me put an end to some confusion.

My great grandfather is Ernest Hill dob 1883. He died in 1939.

According to one source he married a Francis BartonAug 1914 in Christ Church, Beswick, Manchester, Lancashire, England and had one child called Albert Ellis Hill dob. This source has all the correct information regarding my family tree but the Francis Barton. I think there is possibility that Ernest remarried to Ann and had Vera???? Confusion there. I would say this source had the wrong information but all the addresses etc fit?

According to my distant cousin Ernest married Ann Boardham and had two children Albert and Vera. My cousin has the marriage cert to prove this. Can anyone help me please

The LancashireBMD site has deatils of the marriage of an Ernest HILL to Ann BOARDMAN

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1908
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference

HILL Ernest BOARDMAN Ann Manchester, Independent Chapel, Osborne St./Oldham Road Manchester 265/2/29

Albert's birth cert will show who his mother was, is this him?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Albert Ellis Hill
Name: Albert Ellis Hill
Year of Registration: 1910
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Prestwich
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 445 (click to see others on page)

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Ernest Hill
Name: Ernest Hill
Year of Registration: 1914
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Spouse's Surname: Barton
District: Prestwich
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 592 (click to see others on page)

so heres the marrige to Frances Barton

Marriages Sep 1914 (>99%)
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Hill Ernest Barton Prestwich 8d 592

Barton Frances Hill Prestwich 8d 592

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Vera M Hill
Name: Vera M Hill
Year of Registration: 1914
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's Maiden Name: Boardman
District: Prestwich
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 782 (click to see others on page)

heres Vera mmn Boardman

Births Dec 1914
HILL Vera M mmn Boardman Prestwich 8d 782

Something is very wrong here

We have
Ernest marrying Ann Boardman 1908

Albert Ellis born 1910

Ernest marrying Frances Barton Q 3 1914

Vera born Q4 1914 MMN Boardman

From Vera's birth Ann Boardman was still alive when Ermest "married" the second time

So he couldnt have married Frances Barton in sept qtr of 1914
AND have a daughter Vera born DEC qtr1914 mmn Boardman seems like its two different Ernest Hill

Lisa do you have any certs?

Shirley I agree with you

Could there have been more children? could Arthur Ellis be Ellis?

David Hill 1911 Jul-Aug-Sep Boardman West Derby Lancashire

Ellis Hill 1917 Jan-Feb-Mar Boardman West Derby Lancashire

Please see info I have recieved below This is definately my Grandad. Please see Mother name. I am very confused.

Albert Ellis HILL
Surname: Hill
Given Name: Albert Ellis
Sex: M
_UID: 3A38AFA24A5AD811A70300105CE05D9D4017
Note:
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Haven't found a baptism yet for Albert as his parents married in 1914 it would seem he was born 4 years earlier or he lied on marriage as his wife was 25.
Details from marriage certificate
Christ Curch 28/12/1935
Albert Ellis Hill - 25 -bachelor - tinsmith - 1 Lytton St - Ernest - fitter
Florence May Hayes - 25 - spinster - weaver - 28 Rowsley St - Charles (d) - lab
Both literate Witnesses Joseph Vincent Hayes/Nora Marjorie Hill
1
Change Date: 6 Oct 2006 at 08:07:43

Father: Ernest HILL b: 1892
Mother: Frances BARTON b: Mar 1893 c: 22 Mar 1893 in Christ Church, England

Marriage 1 Florence May HAYES

Mum's name is not shown on an England or Wales marriage cert therefore the only confirmed fact is his father was named as Ernest Hill on the marriage cert.

The birth of Arthur Ellis Hill shown above was 1910, this ties up with him being 25 at time of marriage in 1935.

As you contact is querying Arthur's age he does not have his birth cert therefore Arthur's Mum could be anyone.

I would suggest that you order this birth cert which will confirm his Mum's name which could be
A) Ann Boardman
B) Frances Barton (marriage after he was born)
C) Someone we haven't yet found

This is true Jolly Sailor, one of mine has a non existent person on her marriage cert as her Dad

You are dealing with some very common names here, so there's no point making assumptions... you've got to get certificates!