Genealogy Chat

Do you think this is the same family ?
One in 1851 then again in 1861...

1851 shown as Helen...

1851 England Census
about Helen Ringrose
Name: Helen Ringrose
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Martha
Gender: Female
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Kingston Upon Hull Holy Trinity
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:(looks like?) Anlaby Road

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Hull
Sub-registration district: Myton
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 98
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Elizth Ringrose 16
Eliza Ringrose 11
Frederic Ringrose 7
Helen Ringrose 4
Joseph Ringrose 1
Martha Ringrose 38 born: Humbleton, Yorkshire
William Ringrose 39 Gardener (journeyman)


1861

1861 England Census
about Ellen Ringrose
Name: Ellen Ringrose
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Martha
Gender: Female
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Hull Holy Trinity
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:(looks like) Autaby Road?

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Hull
Sub-registration district: Myton
ED, institution, or vessel: 48
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 274
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Blackburn 84 ...Mother in law. born: Heaton, Yorkshire
Charles Ringrose 9
Ellen Ringrose 14
Emily Ringrose 9
Joseph Ringrose 11
Martha Ringrose 50... born: Hambleton, Yorkshire
Septimus Ringrose 3
William Ringrose 55... born: Hull.Occupation Gardener.

Parents marriage

Marriages Quarter 1 (jan feb mar) 1838
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Blackburn Martha Sculcoates 22 396
Ringrose William Sculcoates 22 396


Gerri x

They look like the same family to me. Ellen and Helen often get mixed up.

Kath. x

Thanks Kath

Thats what I thought too but the person I was trying to help keeps saying its not the same Family as ages of parents are different!

I've given up trying to explain it to her!
I sometimes wonder why I bother! lol

Gerri x

1851 census was taken 30th March
1861 .............................7th. April

Perhaps the parents had birthdays in the week between 30/3 and 7/4

Having said that, people were not as aware of age in those days........didn't keep sending birthday cards!!

Reg

Oh it must be the same people, its not a common name and surely even the job ties in. Have you looked at the actual images in case the ages have been transcribed wrongly? Not that it would bother me if they hadnt, it just depends on who is giving the info doesnt it - no one knew us lot would be scrutinising it 150 years later.

How about the place of birth and where they live?
1841
Martha Ringrose abt 1816 Yorkshire, England Humbleton Yorkshire
1851
Martha Ringrose William abt 1813 Humbleton, Yorkshire, England Wife Kingston Upon Hull Holy Trinity Yorkshire
1861
Martha Ringrose Elizabeth,
William abt 1811 Hambleton, Yorkshire, England Wife Hull Holy Trinity Yorkshire
1871
Martha Ringrose William abt 1811 Humbleton, Yorkshire, England Wife Holy Trinity Yorkshire
1881
Martha Ringrose William A. abt 1811 Humbleton, Yorkshire, England Wife Kingston-Upon-Hull Yorkshire

Thanks for saving my sanity Kath Reg and Heather.

With your permission I shall copy n paste this thread on to her...one last try!....then I shall give up and leave her to it!

Gerri x

Its so annoying isnt it when people who arent really into this are petty over small points, like, I was pming someone recently with details of a family - rare scottish name - she came back, oh yes it was Alexander but the surname definitely has 2 r's in the middle that person only has one. Scream !!!!!!!!

LOL know that feeling well! Heather

Oh, I just looked at the 1861, the addy is Anlaby (Aulaby?) Road, same as the 1851,

Yep! Heather I updated my original posting as I was begining to think i was going nuts and needed reassuring!

gerri x