Genealogy Chat

....until I saw that my 5 x great grandfather seems to have come from 'down south'.

His marriage record in the 1789 Ledsham parish record reads "Erasmus Hallays and Ann Simpson both of Ledsham Aug 8th....Banns"
In the 1841 census he is listed as Erasmus Alloes, with his wife Ann and ?son James as living in Clayton Parish of Allerton but in the 'Whether born in same county column' it is marked as "N. Known"
When his wife Ann dies on 6/5/1845 of Old Age he is not listed as present at her death in Clayton, but his occupation is given as labourer.
In the 1851 census, he is listed as Erasmus Halloways, widow, aged 98, (Farm Lab) in Great Ouseburn workhouse and under 'Where Born' it says "London"
His death certificate dated 14th April 1851 lists Erasmus Halloways, aged 100, labourer, died of Debility of Old Age - Certified, the informant being William Daniel of the Great Ouseburn workhouse.

Can anyone tell me on what date the 1841 census was taken?
Is this a World Record for premature ageing?
Why may a Londoner move to Yorkshire between 1750 and 1790?

I have looked for his birth on the Ledsham parish records, but without any luck (although the microfilms are not particularly clear for this period).
The IGI are under the impression that he was born in 1764 in Ledsham, according to a kindly submitted record for his marriage.
If he did indeed come from London (my father is still in denial) where would I start to look for a record for his birth?

Any help with my brick wall would be greatly appreciated.

Diane

If you google 'UK census dates'.............you can get the complete list..............always worth having for reference.

Reg

The 1851 census was taken on 30/3/1851...so in 15 days he aged 2 years...not a good outlook for me.

Thanks Reggie!

Diane

He may have known his age and told it to the census taker but whoever registered his death may have only had a rough idea.

Sue

In 1891 looking at the distribution of the name spelled as Halloway there were 68 families of that name in the UK.

http://www.ancestry.com/facts/Halloway-genealogy-uk.ashx?fn=&yr=1891

Only 2% were in Yorkshire and the largest group was 17% in London.

Lancashire had 10%.

The rare nature of the name makes me think it had one original source. It doesn't necessarily mean they came from London originally because that city attracted a lot of people from the country.

There are quite a lot of Halloways/Holloways in London in the late 1700s on the IGI. Your Halloway may be a variant of Holloway and that is an area of London.

Can't see an Erasmus but it's a nice unusual first name so may be it will turn up in a London parish.

Good luck
Sue

census dates
6 Jun 1841
30 Mar 1851
7 Apr 1861
2 Apr 1871
3 Apr 1881
5 Apr 1891
31 Mar 1901
James

Thanks Sue in Somerset, Libby9 and James. Census dates now noted for future reference.

I will check out the Ledsham Bishops Transcripts for Erasmus' birth...in case I missed him in the Parish Registers.

What is the best way of searching London Registers? His first name, Erasmus, has been consistently spelt correctly on all his records. Whereas his surname has so many varients, including Alloes, Salloways, etc. Is there any way to find all the Erasmus' born in London during a certain period?

Diane

Perhaps someone in the London Family History Society could advise you.

http://www.lnmfhs.dircon.co.uk/

Sue

I had a bit of a trawl on the A2A site
http://www.a2a.org.uk/

I looked for Halloways and then for just Erasmus in the London area but without much of a clue. It was a long shot as those records only tend to cover things like land records and removal orders.

However I did find what just might be a London/Yorkshire link because I found one document in Yorkshire about a London merchant. This is what I found.

East Riding of Yorkshire Archives and Records Service: Quarter Sessions [QST/1 - QST/54]

Accounts and Vouchers

APRIL 1763 - APRIL 1764 - ref. QST/46

FILE - A.V. Thomas Wharton for the use of John Halloway of London, merchant. - ref. QST/46/53 - date: 6 Dec 1763

This may be a total red herring but it looks as if there was a London merchant called Halloway who was dealing with someone in Yorkshire perhaps. It might be interesting to try and find out what is actually said in that document.

Sue
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Hi Sue,

Thank you so much for taking the time to do that search. It does indeed look hopeful, as John is very much one of the family names (he could perhaps even turn out to be Erasmus' father). It is around the time that Erasmus was born, or was even as old as 12...perhaps he was sent to Yorkshire to work for Thomas Wharton, and settled in the area. Finding a Merchant in the family would be a big advance from our usual agricultural labourers!

I will have a look myself, and see if I can track down Thomas Wharton.

Thank you so much again,
Diane
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IGI submitted records for marriages always seem to assume that the groom is aged 25 at the time! Not that helpful but I suppose it's a starting point!

Good tip Jill.

The parish record for his marriage made no mention of his year of birth, so I was wondering where this information came from. If they assumed that he was aged 25 that would fit perfectly with the marriage date...I will stick withe the estimate from the census data that he was born in 1753. That will also add weight to my theory about Sues possible Merchant connection.

Thank you,
Diane