Genealogy Chat

thanks for all your replys, i have worked it out now, she gave him his fathers surname as a christian name! so when they did eventually marry she would'nt have to change the name on the cert,,,how crafty!!

oohhh, Great Gran you took all this with you to your grave many years ago and never told a soul!! you did'nt realise your Great Granddaughter would find out!! lol [she died when i was 12]

oh i'm glad that's solved! it's puzzled me for a while.

Chris.

It would appear she registered the birth as Rouse. To appear she was married, she gave a maiden name and chose her mother's.

Rose

So Churchill is a given name, ...his surname being ROUSE.
Because an unmarried father was not usually named on a birth certificate, his surname was often tacked on as a given name for children.
The child could have been raised with either surname....or any other come to that.
It is only more recently that a surname is shown as a surname. Before that it was inferred.

Gwyn

So he wasn't given Churchill as his surname.

Rose

Here it is:

Births Mar 1893
Rouse James Henry C Chipping N. 3a 915

Rose

I don't see a birth for him on FreeBMD.

Rose

Glitter Baby,
thanks for that, i have them on 1901, and the surname was mis-spelt, had a job finding them cos of that!

Sue,
have emailed you with the cert.

Chris.

1901 this is the family

Name: Carey Cenchild
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Hy
Gender: Female
Where born: Little Compton, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Bexhill
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Bexhill
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Battle
Sub-registration district: Bexhill
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 85
Household Members: Name Age
Carey Cenchild 25
Deborah Mary Cenchild 1
James Ford Cenchild 20 this is Ford on image, Boarder
James Hy Cenchild 32
James Hy Cenchild 8 Little Compton
Thomas F Joe Cenchild 3
Charles Johnston 18 Boarder
George Osborne 25 Boarder

I presume the marriage

Marriages Jun 1897 (>99%)
Churchill Annie Hinckley 7a 147
Churchill James Henry Hinckley 7a 147
ROUSE Carry Hinckley 7a 147
Sandall Arthur Hinckley 7a 147

Are these the names as written in coulumn 2

james henry churchill.

Have you scanned the certificate

If so if can you email it to me I can maybe help more.

I have not seen a certificate written as you describe

Will message you my email

Sue

ok here are the names:

james henry churchill [the child]

Carry Rouse[the mother]
then under her name she puts:
Surch
Mother.

Surch was her mothers maiden name,

chris

Chris.

A birth certificate mentions no surname for the child.

Mother might claim she is married does is say along the line Sarah Bloggs formerly Smith.

Sue

Take a look at this link

http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/births.htm

Roy

Can you list the actual names to make it clearer to understand?

Rose

A child could be given an unmarried father's surname, I believe but he could not be named on a birth certificate unless he was present at the registration.
Some of mine born around that time have their father named on their baptism entries though.
The mother should not have given her mother's maiden name unless it was her own name too.
Perhaps she was illegitimate too.

Gwyn

i have a birth cert of my great uncle dated 1892, his parents did'nt marry untill 5yrs later, on the cert he has his fathers surname, but there is no mention of the father in the colomn were it should be, and his mother has put her full name and for her maiden name she has put her mothers maiden name.

were they allowed to give the child the fathers surname even tho they were'nt married at the time? and for the mother to put her mothers maiden name as hers?

chris.