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A Journeyman meant he had finished his training as a waterman (sort of like an apprentiship)

I have a rellie waterman journeyman and he was on the coal barges in and around Walsall staffs.

Gerri x

Andrea

I have rechecked the 1871 Census and a number of other husbands working as watermen were also with the Lighters. A lighter was a type of boat

Check this link http://www.stivesrowingclub.com/history.php

K

Thanks Kay and Potty, definitely have some more to go on now.

I also feel like I'm beginning to get to the bottom of what Henry did for a living (see Waterman Thread).

Hopefully, I'll be able to repay some favours when my sub is sorted out (and check for mistranscription - hadn't thought of that!)

Andrea

Sadly Jane Hobbs died pre 1901

Deaths Jun 1894 (>99%)
Hobbs Jane 79 St.Ives 3b 151

Thank you so much Kay, I really appreciate that. Diseased liver? What a strange thing to have on the census?!

That's especially useful because I've been trying to find exactly what Henry Hobbs did. He is named as a Waterman on his daughters birth cert and a Journeyman Waterman on an earlier census. Waterman with the Lighters sounds intriguing! I'm just going to pop onto google!

Thanks for looking.

Andrea

Sissy could be a mistranscription of Lissie - capital L and captial S can look very similar in some old handwriting. Check the image when your sub is sorted out.

1881

Name: Jane Hobbs
Age: 66
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: St Ives, Huntingdon, England

Civil Parish: St Ives
County/Island: Huntingdonshire
Country: England

Street address: Nicholls Lane
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widow)
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Charwoman

Registration district: St Ives
Sub-registration district: St Ives
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Hobbs 23 Gardener's Labourer
Jane Hobbs 66
Jane Hobbs 42 Invalid (Crossed out)

1891

Name: Jane Hobbs
Age: 77
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: St Ives, Huntingdonshire, England

Civil Parish: St Ives
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: St Ives
County/Island: Huntingdonshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: St Ives
Sub-registration district: St Ives
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age

Jane Hobbs 77 On Parish

1871

Name: Jane Hobbs
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: St Ives, Huntingdonshire, England

Civil Parish: St Ives
Town: St Ives
County/Island: Huntingdonshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: St Ives
Sub-registration district: St Ives
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 48
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Hobbs 13
Henry Hobbs 17
Jane Hobbs 56
Jane Hobbs 32 (Had diseased liver 7 years) (first time I have seen this!)

Husband listed as Waterman with the Lighters(?)

No Problem

The FreeBMD is missing a number on the complete is from Ancestry the ref no is

Elizabeth Hobbs - 1848 1st Quarter St Ives 14 224

Best Wishes Kay

Sorry to be a pain but I wonder if anyone could check that birth record for Elizabeth for me as I would like to order the cert but not sure I've got exactly the right details down.

Also wondering if Henry can be found on any later census'. I know Elizabeth ended up in the Workhouse - wondering what happened to mum and dad.

Thanks very much

Sorry Pam, just re-read your post and noted that Sissey becomes Elizabeth, so that looks really promising doesn't it?

I'm going off to google what a Journeyman Waterman was?

I knew my day could be saved! Thanks so much to all of you.

Thanks guys!

I have just double checked my records. I think I found Elizabeth's birth (last time I could get into Ancestry) as registered Jan/Feb/Mar 1848 St Ives (14, 24). I haven't sent for certificate yet but obviously I really should. (If you could check GRO reference for me, I'll do it today!)

I did find Elizabeth 1871 to 1901 census (she married a George Lantaff in 1873) and each time her EYB comes up as 1847 so I am fairly confident on the DOB.

You've got me wondering about Sissey though? Is that a deriritive of Elizabeth I wonder? On later census' she is known as Lizzie and Lizzy. (Just to confuse things further my mum thought her name was Till (Matilda?) I'm fairly sure that is not the case though because I have her marriage cert and her children's birth certs - always Elizabeth.

Thanks again for looking - I really need that birth cert don't I?!

are you sure that Elizabeth was born 1847 and not 1837?

their is this on in 1851 census and Henry is a journeyman waterman

Name: Henry Hobbs
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Isle of Ely, Burrel

Civil Parish: St Ives
County/Island: Huntingdonshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: St Ives
Sub-registration district: Warboys
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 107
Household Members: Name Age
James Frost 64
Charles Hobbs 3 Mo
Eliza Hobbs 14
Henry Hobbs 40
James Hobbs 10
Jane Hobbs 37
Jane Hobbs 12
Sissey Hobbs 3
Susan Hobbs 7

Roy

That was 1851 this is 1861-same family.Note-Sissy has become Elisabeth


Henry Hobbs
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1808
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jame
Gender: Male
Where born: Burwell, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil Parish: St Ives
County/Island: Huntingdonshire
Country: England

Registration district: St Ives
Sub-registration district: St Ives
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 114
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Hobbs 10
Dariel Hobbs 4
Elisabeth Hobbs 13
Eliza Hobbs 25
Henery Hobbs 7
Henry Hobbs 53
Jame Hobbs 47
Jane Hobbs 23
Mary Ann Hobbs 2


Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 979; Folio: 33; Page: 25; GSU roll: 542731.
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This is the nearest I can see...

1851 England Census
about Eliza Hobbs
Name: Eliza Hobbs
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Female
Where born: St Ives, Huntingdonshire, England

Civil Parish: St Ives
County/Island: Huntingdonshire
Country: England

Street address: back lane

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: St Ives
Sub-registration district: Warboys
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 107
Household Members: Name Age
James Frost 64 ...father in law.
Charles Hobbs 3 Mo
Eliza Hobbs 14
Henry Hobbs 40...journeyman waterman
James Hobbs 10
Jane Hobbs 37
Jane Hobbs 12
Sissey Hobbs 3
Susan Hobbs 7

Could this be them? I would guess Sissy could be Elizabeth.

Henry Hobbs
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Isle of Ely, Burrel

Civil Parish: St Ives
County/Island: Huntingdonshire
Country: England

Registration district: St Ives
Sub-registration district: Warboys
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 107
Household Members: Name Age
James Frost 64
Charles Hobbs 3 Mo
Eliza Hobbs 14
Henry Hobbs 40
James Hobbs 10
Jane Hobbs 37
Jane Hobbs 12
Sissey Hobbs 3
Susan Hobbs 7



Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1749; Folio: 489; Page: 26; GSU roll: 193646.
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Hi,

My Ancestry subscription has been messed up (long story - charged twice for same period, then refunded, then no access at all, now have access to US but not UK! - hopefully will be finally sorted out on Monday).

In the meantime, I wondered if someone might have time to have a look for a Henry Hobbs for me. He is named as the father on my g. grandmothers marriage certificate (Elizabeth Hobbs) and was a Waterman. (It doesn't say he was deceased)

Elizabeth was born in St Ives (Huntingdonshire,Cambs) in 1847 so I was hoping to find them on the 1851, 1861 census. I have found Elizabeth in the Union Workhouse, Hemingford Grey, St ives in 1871, unmarried with a 3 year old daughter.

If anyone could help, I would be really grateful. So cross with Ancestry, I had planned a whole day of researching and I can't view any images!