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Hi,
I'm certain about my family up until this point, but my g.g.g.grandfather in confusing me. I know his name was John Cogdon and he had a son called Barker in 1854 ( I have Barker's marriage cert). This is the family in 1861:
1861 England Census
about Barker R Cogdon
Name: Barker R Cogdon
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Durham, England
Civil Parish: Sunderland
Town: Sunderland
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: West Sunderland
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 183
Household Members: Name Age
Barker R Cogdon 8 [The R stands for Ramsey/Ramsay]
Eleanor Cogdon 3
John Cogdon 35
John Cogdon 6
Margret Cogdon 11
Sarah Cogdon 39
Sarah J Cogdon 14
Jane Kirton 26
His wife Sarah's maiden name was Kirton and I have their marriage certificate giving John's father's name as William Cogdon (he was a joiner).
I found what seems to be his family in 1841 (although obviously you can't see his relation to the head):
1841 England Census
about John Coydon
Name: John Coydon
[John Cogden]
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Gender: Male
Where born: Durham, England
Civil Parish: Sunderland
Hundred: Sunderland Town
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation: View Image
Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: West Sunderland
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Coydon 14
Lune Coydon 30
Margaret Coydon 9
Robert Coydon 2
Rowland Coydon 5
Thomas Coydon 1
William Coydon 30
William Coydon 8
Lune has been corrected to Jane. I can't make out William's occupation.
I then found a marriage between a Jane RAMSEY and William Cogdon in 1831, but this is after John's birth and I have two contacts who have missed John completely, and that start with who I thought were his younger siblings (who there is a few years age gap between him and them) for William and Jane's children.
Seeing as I can' t order a birth certificate for John (as he was born in 1826/7) and he was born before the people who I think are his parent's marriage, how can I be sure that they are his parents? I've had a look on familysearch (to double check) but I don't think his birth is there.
I was pretty sure Jane was John's mother as quite a few of the decendants have the middle name Ramsey/ay. We think that John lied about his age to get married as all the censuses following his and Sarah's marriage show him as about 3 years younger than her making him 17/18 at the time of marriage when the cert says 'of full age'.
Help!
(I hope that all made sense!)
Clare
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Hello Claire
I think that, as you say the name Ramsay features in future generations, it's possible that John was Jane Ramsay's illegitimate son & he was subsequently brought up by William Cogdon as his own. There is a baptism on IGI of John Ramsay, son of Jane Ramsay in Bishopwearmouth in 1827. (Although this is a submitted entry, so is not totally reliable).
The fact is, that there appears to be a large gap between John & the next child & this could explain that.
Unfortunately, if this turns out to be so, the paternal line stops here!
Angela
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William's occupation in 1841 is Cabinet Maker which ties in with being a Joiner.
I think Angela is right about the illegitimate birth of John.
Kath. x
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Thanks, rather unfortunate but there you go!
Clare
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Sorry Clare - just realised I spelt your name wrong!
Thanks Kathleen.
Angela
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Don't worry lol happens all the time! :)
Clare
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