Genealogy Chat

CAN ANYONE OUT THERE HELP ME PLEASE!
I HAVE A BIRTH CERT FOR A WILLIAM WORBOYS BORN 5TH JUNE 1853 - HIS PARENTS ARE LISTED AS HANNAH HARRIET WORBOYS ( FORMALLY HALLAM) AND JAMES WORBOYS ( OCCUPATION CORDWAINER) . I CAN FIND HANNAH AND JAMES IN THE 1851 CENSUS WHEN THEY ARE SINGLE, LIVING WITH THEIR PARENTS, (JAMES IN STEPNEY AND HANNAH IN SHOREDITCH,) SO ASSUME THEY MARRIED WITHIN 2 YEARS,BUT THE GRO CAN FIND NO RECORDS! ...ALSO ANOTHER 2 YRS LATER IN DEC 1855 HANNAH REMARRIES TO A JOHN WIGGETT. HER CONDITION STATES SHE WAS A WIDOW, SO I HAVE ASKED GRO TO FIND JAMES'S DEATH BETWEEN 1853 - 1855 BUT AGAIN THERE ARE NO RECORDS!! THEY HAVE TOLD ME THAT JAMES AND HANNAH WERE PROBERLY NOT MARRIED, AND THAT THEY MORE THAN LIKELY LIED FOR THE PURPOSE OF A BIRTH CERT FOR THEIR SON..AND JAMES COULD HAVE 'JUST DONE A RUNNER' AND DISAPPEARED... AND FOR HANNAH TO MAKE HER HER SELF LOOK RESPECTABLE AMD REMARRY , JUST LIED AND SAID SHE WAS A WIDOW!!!!! ...... IF I ACCEPT THIS, THEN I CANT DIG BACK ANY FURTHER! CAN ANYONE HELP PLEASE??

It is quite possible that the explanation given by the GRO is correct, it did happen back then. I have looked fro a marriage and a death and can't find either.

Why would this prevent you from getting back any further?

Sam x

As you have found both of them in 1851, there is no problem about going back.............they should be on 1841 census..........

Reg

HI SAM, I THINK THIS WOULD PREVENT ME FROM GOING BACK FURTHER BECAUSE I CANT BE REALLY SURE FOR CERTAIN THAT I HAVE THE CORRECT JAMES AS THERE WAS QUITE A FEW OF THEM IN THE AREA, I FELT IF I HAD THEIR MARRIAGE CERT OR THE DEATH, I WOULD KNOW FOR SURE WHO HIS PARENTS WERE!! I HAVE ALL OF HANNAH'S BACKGROUND SO SHE IS NOT A PROBLEM.

What is his occupation on 1851? Does it tally with the birth cert?

Reg

As long as you have their birth certs and therefore know their parents then you can go back further. You could look to see if William married someone else at another time, and a death dert at another time. Shelagh

Sorry I meant James not William. If you live in London maybe you could visit the Guild of Cordwainers. A few of my ancestors had this occupation. Shelagh

HI REGGIE,I HAVE LOOKED AT A 1841 CENSUS ON THIS SITE BUT ONLY 2 CAME UP, THE ONE IN STEPNEY IS ONLY 7 YRS BUT IN 1851 HE IS 19YRS!! I DONT KNOW HOW TO GET A DETAILED LOOK BUT I BELIEVE HIS PARENTS WERE JAMES AND JANE!!

REGGIE - THERE WAS A BLANK IN THE 1851 CENSUS FOR HIS OCCUPATION... INTERESTINGLY "CORDWAINERS WALK" WAS JUST A COUPLE OF STREETS AWAY FROM WHERE HE LIVED WITH HIS PARENTS - PEHAPS HE MADE THAT ONE UP TOO..

THANKS SHELAGH, I MIGHT JUST TRY AND VISIT THE GUILD OF CORDWAINERS.. DO YOU KNOW WHEREABOUTS IN LONDON I IS ?

I HAVE A 1851 CENSUS ( not a very clear one)
STEPNEY - ST JAMES - TOWER HAMLETS
20 LONDON ST OR RD.
JAMES WORBOYS (HEAD) 42YRS (or could read 46yrs) A LABOURER.
JANE WORBOYS ,WIFE, 41YRS
*JAMES WORBOYS* SON 19yrs (no work)
ANN WORBOYS, DAUGHTER,15YRS
MARYANN WORBOYS 10YRS
the head of household was born in stratford, but everone elses details are just not clear enough to read!