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CAN I OFFER THE WHITE FLAG AND CALL A TRUCE

GOODNIGHT FRIENDS ,,,,ALL FRIENDS

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Dont delete it , it has been the only thread worth reading , maybe that is why they want it gone lol , makes the rest look the utter drivel that it is .

There we go, I was sure someone else would have concluding remarks!

I don't delete threads.

This thread was not a request for an apology from anyone about anything, and still isn't.

Maybe if it stays here, somebody will figure out what it's about someday.

if its concluded, then surely it needs deleting? as" being concluded". implies that it has served its purpose?

Ni nite Janey.....
Bob

Well, I guess it had ... my thread, I concluded it ... any other "concluding" remarks, anyone?

Amen!

Thread has reached its natural conclusion, hopefully.

I'll never understand this "offending" business, I fear. It seems that in England, that's what one apologizes for, and one couches it as an apology "if" one has offended, no matter what one has actually done. It has nothing to do with anything in this case, but as I said, whatever.

Janey - Catherine's apology isn't hollow. I believe she is genuinely mortified at the thought of offending anyone. As I have said - I can see your point but give it a rest now...eh? I think we get the message.

S

Janey I would not even try to read your mind. My apology was not hollow. I am sorry you were offended but some of your remarks are every bit as offensive.
As for me making an issue of the whole thing you might like to also re-read some of your own posts.

To anyone else reading this thread I am genuinely sorry if I've upset you.
Cath xx

I think, Catherine, you should refrain from attempting to mind-read.

My issues are with people who circulate falsehoods, whether by email, by internet discussion board, at the pub or over the kitchen table.

My issues are particularly with people who circulate falsehoods expressly designed to turn other people against disadvantaged people, disadvantaged groups of people or social policies to help disadvantaged people.

That is what the "obituary for common sense" that you were happy to pass on was designed to do. And your apology is sounding extremely hollow.

I'm happy to reproduce the screed in question, since you continue to make an issue of it, although that was not really what this thread was about -- it was about the one false tale it told, and the lessons we might learn from the telling of such tales.

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Dont know if you've seen this one before but It makes you think.

Obituary to COMMON SENSE printed in the London Times.

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, COMMON SENSE, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as:

- Knowing when to come in out of the rain;
- Why the early bird gets the worm;
- Life isn't always fair;
- And maybe it was my fault.

COMMON SENSE lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children are in charge.

His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place. Reports of a six year old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student only worsened his condition.

COMMON SENSE lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children.

It declined further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a student but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted an abortion.

COMMON SENSE lost the will to live as the churches became businesses and criminals recieved better treatment than their victims.

COMMON SENSE took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar sued you for assault.

COMMON SENSE finally gave up the will to live after a woman failed to realise that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. SHE spilled it in her lap and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

COMMON SENSE was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust, by his wife Discretion, by his daughter, Responsibility and by his son Reason.

He is survived by his 4 stepbrothers:
- I know my rights
- I want it now
- Someone else is to blame
- Im the victim

Not many attended his funeral because so few realised he had gone. If you still remember him pass this on, if not join the majority and do nothing.

I thought I'd pass it on,

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Sounds a bit like Chinese Whispers to me,Starts as one thing and ends uprely different. However, I personally know of some one who works for a Charity, ( No Names No Pack Drill ) he lives in a very Large house ( With a Susidised Mortgage Provided by same Charity,Has top of the range car.( Provided) very good expenses and a very generous wage.While the people who do all the work in the shops etc. do it for free.( Most of them ) meybe thats why lots of people are a but sceptical of large charities and prefer the local ones. Re McDonalds,Personally I think they are the most uncivilised way of eating food,so there is no way I would ever get scalded by coffee or anything else from there. Just my opinion for what its worth.**M**.

Also while Janey seized one small part of said email, there was nothing else in it that could have caused offence to anyone. I think Janeys issues are with her mothers friends and Canadas neighbours. Perhaps a word to said friends would be a good idea and put an end to distress caused.

Cath x

I'm happy to clarify that, Catherine. There was nothing directed against racial or religious minorities in that email.

My point is that I see it as part of the whole body of these things that circulate, that present a worldview that is based on falsehood, and that convey values that aren't good old-fashioned common sense, they are hurtful and harmful.

The email in question did contain a couple of things that were aimed directly at the rights women have fought for. It bemoaned school policies that treat six-year-old boys kissing female classmates as uacceptable, and that protect the privacy of girls and young women with unwanted pregnancies.

I don't see those policies as evidence of absence of "common sense". I see them as progress, and evidence that these days actually are better than the good old days.

Schools have policies that protect girls against unwanted sexual contact, and that's a good thing, not a bad thing -- and it's important that this attitude be required of students from the start, and that means six-year-olds. And policies that protect girls with unwanted pregnancies if they are afraid of their parents' reactions, and that too is a good thing, not a bad thing. Those policies are common sense. If common sense includes consideration for other people and their needs, and not just what we want.


The email listed four things that common sense taught us:

- Knowing when to come in out of the rain;
- Why the early bird gets the worm;
- Life isn't always fair;
- And maybe it was my fault.

"And maybe it was my fault" -- that was the one that McDonalds needed to learn, and had to be taught, if its parents failed to teach it. It was its fault that the women suffered serious harm -- at least, according to the jury, it was 80% its fault.

Life isn't always fair, but people -- and corporations -- are supposed to be. And that really is one of those values we're supposed to learn from our parents: fairness. Since fairness in our relations with others is for our own benefit too, that's also common sense.

I would like to point out that while some were offended by the email I posted that was never my intention at all, it was mean't to be a look at lack of common sense - obviously me -, and nowhere in said email was there any kind of rascist comment or slur against Canadians or any other nationality. I am NOT a rascist and never have been and some of the postings on this thread might lead people to believe that what I originally posted had a rascist content, it did NOT. Maybe you could make that clear Janey.

Cath x

I have an internet contact who lives in the US ... she quite often sends me emails similar to the ones that Janey c&p'd ............... onyl written from the US point-of-view.

Then weeks or months later the Canadianized version comes around.


I find them quite sickening.


Equally sickening are some of the ones using members of the forces in Afghanistan as examples of what "we" should be fighting for, and what will happen if "we" let all these foreighners in.





Suemaid

I quite often find that immigrants are more rabid about "xxxxians for xxxxx" (insert whichever country you like!) than are the native-borns.



sylvia

Now that example is horrible - really. I would be greatly offended if I was sent that one. I can however understand that your mother would find it difficult to chastise a friend for sending something like that. I was deleted by a "friend" on FB for taking her to task after inviting me to join a group called "Australians only for Australia" - funny really as neither her nor her husband was born in Australia.

Having said that - the example is blatant in it's bigotry. Some are way too obtuse and people don't always read the insidious message behind the words.

S

Dizzi --

I think you're smart enough not to get taken in by garbage like this stuff!

I think we probably all are. ;)

The people who compose this stuff are treating us like idiots. We shouldn't fall for it.

Janey, sorry to digress... re Anne of green Gables, as we were discussing the other night, the book 'Rilla of Ingleside' has a character whose dog is called Wilfred Laurier, now I know for whom it was named lol.

RUNS OF THREAD
NOT CLEVER ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THIS