General Chat

My response was to your reply re laws though Roy, not freedom of speech per se.

It is indeed the spoken word...should everyone be able to say exactly what they want with no restriction at all?...whose rights are more important... 'mine' to walk down the street verbally unmolested or 'yours' to sream obscenities at me?

I wonder what it is you feel you can't say because of 'political correctness' ...that's a general 'you' .

Suzanne !!! I wasn't offended !!!!!!!!! That's the thing lol......now please don't get upset or I shall be offended that you feel I was offended (joking)LOLOLOL.

Seriously........I do not get offended by folk who have differing opinions to mine !!!! (and I don't think it was your post that got me hot under the collar anyhow...but even if it did that's MY problem not the person with the opinion lol)...

Actually I thought your thread was fab....very civilized.

One of the best debates we've had on here for ages x

***edit...spot on TW.....how well you know me lol x

On here, online it is a bit different because by signing up for the T & Cs you have signed up to restrictions voluntarily. Much as I might sometimes like to I can't call someone at "total expletive" lol, not with impunity ;-)

Well....not all the time eh Rose? ;-) :-D

:-D Teresa, sometimes I just have to let it out :-D

RamblingRose, If some one screams obscenities or even just screaming anything whether politically correct or not whilst walking down the road whether at you or anyone else then that also has nothing to do with Freedom of speech, That has always been a breach of the peace, and a public order offence

And as for what it is that i would want to say then we would be on very dodgy ground,
and if anything that's the problem their are subjects that if you would like to put them up on here for discussion then they would be RR'd in less time than it takes to to shake a stick,

Just because people take an interest in some so called taboo subjects does not mean they are for or against any type of discrimination and should simply be allowed to have a debate regardless of the subject matter but we cannot so to me i say ( freedom of speech? )are we sure about that

Roy

But Roy...isnt' that more about lack of debating skills and less about lack of freedom of speech?

TeresaW, Certainly not,

I used to, several years ago post on this board about such things and stopped posting because of the attitude and responses that i got from the so called PC brigade, So that's where i am coming from, and that's why i still don't post on certain threads

Roy

yes ok "screaming obscenities" was a bit of an overstatement :-) but many would see that as being the same as 'freedom of speech' wouldn't they? ( I'm not saying it IS, I'm saying some people would see it as such).

As to posting something on here, a topic for debate, why would anyone not do so? it isn't 'the topic' that causes a problem is it? it's how it's dealt with and how people react to it, you have the freedom of speech to say it...it is down to posters and responders to be sensible, and ultimately GR whether it stays, you can still say what you want, how long it stays here may be debateable...but it wouldn't stop me 'trying' to post a debate (within the t & Cs if I wanted to?

I am not being so naive that I think a debate thread on a contentious issue will go unreported...but that is someone else's right too.

I did one thread I recall on incest and was privately asked to remove it, which I had offered to do if it offended...but that wouldn't stop me re-posting it at a later date if the impulse arose lol.

Unfortunately sitting in a group and having an open discussion is a lot different than being on a forum. The lack of tone of voice and facial expression make it difficult to know what people mean - even with the use of emoticons. I've seen the :-D emoticon used sarcastically.

Not all people in the "PC brigade" are do-gooders. Many people truly believe in anti-discrimination. I do. I don't believe in sexism, raciscm and a couple of other 'isms'. I do however believe that we should hang on to the ability to laugh at ourselves and that seems to have gone. As with all new 'ideas' there are factions that take things too far. Speaking up for a vulnerable group doesn't necessarily mean you are a 'do-gooder'. Thank goodness for people who are strong enough to do this.

I am all for freedom of speech after all isn’t that what our Fathers and Grandfathers fought in wars for. I too am not a supporter of PC in some aspects I think it borders on ridiculous, you cannot say this because it may offend. But I do welcome it in others. How many of you will admit to cringing when being in the company of others at a particular person being singled out and the butt of another person jokes about race culture or sexuality? Gladly this sort of behaviour is totally unacceptable now and I for one welcome that. What I can not be doing with, is the brainless idiots that believe everything they hear or read in the media and jump on the band wagon, god bless the urban myths eh ;) Just wait for it, we are due a European cup final later this year, wait for the rumours about not being able to fly your St Georges flag FB will be flooded with them.

I see we are around to the RR’ing on here, over the past few days, a little message to whom it concerns “ NOT EVERTHING IS ABOUT YOU OR YOUR FRIENDS” think on … ;-)

which 'PC' brigade Roy? ) .... besides if you think the 'PC brigade' is wrong how can you NOT post? surely you must have the urge to educate them lol

RamblingRose, If you posted a debate about incest and then being asked to remove it, and you did remove it then to me that was against your right to Freedom of speech,

You and anyone else can dress it up as you like but you where still denied that debate,

Roy

my last word on this so just to add the same thing happend to me several times

My last thought on this...

Is it really the end of the world to feel offended.?

Blimey I'd far rather be offended than be an Arsenal supporter

>>>>>>>>>>>>runs>>>>>>>>> really fast>>>>especially after what happened at the weekend>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

*disclaimer...this IS a joke and not aimed in any way at anyone specific who may support the inferior N London club :-P :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

I think that rather goes on what the debate on Incest is about? For instance if the debate was asked do you think it should be made legal for a man to marry his daughter ( over the age of consent) then some may find it offensive. Or if cousins met and married and then found out they were cousins....sort of thing.

Muffyxx :-P :-P

:-D

Deffo my last word

Roy

cousins can marry hayley
two friends of ours are cousins and legally married

Again - posting on a forum is different to open debate within a group of people. Most forums have T & C's and these should be adhered to. The reason for these are to minimise offence to the majority of people. Of course you will always get someone who will imagine every comment is directed at them :-(

Depending on the forum I would object to the tone of a debate if I felt it was inappropriate. After all - it polite society you wouldn't sit with a group of people knowing there was a gay person present and rant on about it being wrong for same sex people to marry or how it was an abomination in the eyes of God. NOT my views by the way.

How an opinion is presented, even if not agreed with, can make a huge difference to how it is received .

Freedom of Speech,,,or Freedom of Expression are they one of the same or seperate for their use?.


Offended is being used in such an over used way.




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